Time for a change, ZL1/1LE or C7Z?
#1
Time for a change, ZL1/1LE or C7Z?
Hello,
I currently have a 5th gen ZL1 with a little over 700hp. Car has been great, but I have had it for a while, and want something different. I have basically narrowed it down to rhe ZL1/1LE or the C7Z. I have been doing a lot of research on the 2, but wanted to get some real world reviews of each if anyone has went from one to the other. I plan on driving both, but decision won’t be made until spring, and we get better wearher here. Any opinion is appreciated.
Thanks,
Travis
I currently have a 5th gen ZL1 with a little over 700hp. Car has been great, but I have had it for a while, and want something different. I have basically narrowed it down to rhe ZL1/1LE or the C7Z. I have been doing a lot of research on the 2, but wanted to get some real world reviews of each if anyone has went from one to the other. I plan on driving both, but decision won’t be made until spring, and we get better wearher here. Any opinion is appreciated.
Thanks,
Travis
#4
Race Director
Car has been great, but I have had it for a while, and want something different.
Why is another Camaro even a consideration then?
Why is another Camaro even a consideration then?
#6
Had a ZL1 (not 1LE) with the A10 trans. Happy to answer any questions, although I'm sure you're comparing manuals specifically.
Despite matching horsepower and torque, the C7Z is a completely different car. The Camaro might be more unique (I see more Z06s than ZL1s around here), but I don't ever regret trading mine in for a C7Z. Also, FWIW the 1LE suspension has been described has brutally painful for street driving. I think it depends on what you want out of the car and how you plan to use it.
Have you considered waiting until the C8 is fully revealed?
Despite matching horsepower and torque, the C7Z is a completely different car. The Camaro might be more unique (I see more Z06s than ZL1s around here), but I don't ever regret trading mine in for a C7Z. Also, FWIW the 1LE suspension has been described has brutally painful for street driving. I think it depends on what you want out of the car and how you plan to use it.
Have you considered waiting until the C8 is fully revealed?
#7
6th gen is completely different from the 5th gen camaro.
i have driven a couple stingrays, but not a Z06 yet.
i want to do some HPDE track days, as well as some autoX.
This car also won’t be a daily driver. I average about 2k miles a year on my play car.
One big reason to move from the 5th gen is headroom. My car has a sunroof, and with a helmet I have to get creative with seat position to fit. I can make it work for autox, but wouldn’t be able to do an HPDE event.
Last edited by Travis104; 12-08-2018 at 08:19 AM.
#8
Obviously almost everyone here will say C7Z because this is a corvette forum.
However the new ZL1's, WITH THE 10 SPEED, is incredible. It's rather funny how the ZL1 is actually a better engineered car compared to the C7Z in terms of it's effectiveness on the track. So if you're a track guy, don't count out the ZL1 as it might even be a better car suited for that, as long as you get the A10. As opposed to the A8 in the z06.
Now if you're thinking about getting a manual, then C7Z all the way. IMO the only way i'll get a ZL1, is if it has the A10. And this is coming from a guy who is not a true auto fan. I actually am, sometimes, if it's a proper auto. Sorry but the 8 speed in our cars aren't good. The A10 in the ZL1 is better.
However the new ZL1's, WITH THE 10 SPEED, is incredible. It's rather funny how the ZL1 is actually a better engineered car compared to the C7Z in terms of it's effectiveness on the track. So if you're a track guy, don't count out the ZL1 as it might even be a better car suited for that, as long as you get the A10. As opposed to the A8 in the z06.
Now if you're thinking about getting a manual, then C7Z all the way. IMO the only way i'll get a ZL1, is if it has the A10. And this is coming from a guy who is not a true auto fan. I actually am, sometimes, if it's a proper auto. Sorry but the 8 speed in our cars aren't good. The A10 in the ZL1 is better.
Last edited by Z0HS1CK; 12-08-2018 at 08:37 AM.
#9
I know the autos are quicker, and the a10 is amazing, from what I have read, but it a manual guy. Since it isn’t a daily driver, the 1LE suspension doesn’t scare me. I know the overheating issues were more in the 15-16 MY z06, and predominantly in the A8, but it is still a concern. From what I have also read 2017 Z06 cars and very sensitive to mods on stock tune.
#10
I know the autos are quicker, and the a10 is amazing, from what I have read, but it a manual guy. Since it isn’t a daily driver, the 1LE suspension doesn’t scare me. I know the overheating issues were more in the 15-16 MY z06, and predominantly in the A8, but it is still a concern. From what I have also read 2017 Z06 cars and very sensitive to mods on stock tune.
Getting a manual fixes this. Getting a '17 adds the secondary radiator if you opt for manual however 17+ models, auto or manual, are very sensitive to mods.
Whereas the 15-16 is more forgiving. But you don't get the secondary radiator if you get a manual 15-16. But you can always add it. I think for 1200 bucks??
Either or there is no perfect C7, unless you get a ZR1. Even as bad as the A8 is, at least in a ZR1 it won't overheat and the car has enough power to overcome the drivetrain loss you normally get with autos.
Last edited by Z0HS1CK; 12-08-2018 at 09:19 AM.
#12
Drifting
Goals with the car?
HPDE: 1LE
Road Course: 1LE
Drag Strip: C7Z
Plan to Modify, depending on power level: 1LE
Styling: Tie, (1LE looks slick with aero)
Daily: Tie, edge 1LE (more room in Camaro, blind spots+, clearance from ground etc...)
Wow Factor: C7Z edge... a 1LE though with the aero looks sweet so people will stare and as stated I don't see near as many Camaros as i do Vettes. But everyone oogles over the vette still.
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As stated already you want a 1LE, considering they dont offer these with the A10 you prefer banging gears. If you were to get a ZL1 w/A10 its easy the camaro all the way around. The 6th Gen camaro is a phenomenal option and in just about every performance way superior to the C7Z.
I love the styling on the ZL, but really love the C7Z styling thats why i personally chose the Vette.
HPDE: 1LE
Road Course: 1LE
Drag Strip: C7Z
Plan to Modify, depending on power level: 1LE
Styling: Tie, (1LE looks slick with aero)
Daily: Tie, edge 1LE (more room in Camaro, blind spots+, clearance from ground etc...)
Wow Factor: C7Z edge... a 1LE though with the aero looks sweet so people will stare and as stated I don't see near as many Camaros as i do Vettes. But everyone oogles over the vette still.
.......
As stated already you want a 1LE, considering they dont offer these with the A10 you prefer banging gears. If you were to get a ZL1 w/A10 its easy the camaro all the way around. The 6th Gen camaro is a phenomenal option and in just about every performance way superior to the C7Z.
I love the styling on the ZL, but really love the C7Z styling thats why i personally chose the Vette.
#13
Goals with the car?
HPDE: 1LE
Road Course: 1LE
Drag Strip: C7Z
Plan to Modify, depending on power level: 1LE
Styling: Tie, (1LE looks slick with aero)
Daily: Tie, edge 1LE (more room in Camaro, blind spots+, clearance from ground etc...)
Wow Factor: C7Z edge... a 1LE though with the aero looks sweet so people will stare and as stated I don't see near as many Camaros as i do Vettes. But everyone oogles over the vette still.
.......
As stated already you want a 1LE, considering they dont offer these with the A10 you prefer banging gears. If you were to get a ZL1 w/A10 its easy the camaro all the way around. The 6th Gen camaro is a phenomenal option and in just about every performance way superior to the C7Z.
I love the styling on the ZL, but really love the C7Z styling thats why i personally chose the Vette.
HPDE: 1LE
Road Course: 1LE
Drag Strip: C7Z
Plan to Modify, depending on power level: 1LE
Styling: Tie, (1LE looks slick with aero)
Daily: Tie, edge 1LE (more room in Camaro, blind spots+, clearance from ground etc...)
Wow Factor: C7Z edge... a 1LE though with the aero looks sweet so people will stare and as stated I don't see near as many Camaros as i do Vettes. But everyone oogles over the vette still.
.......
As stated already you want a 1LE, considering they dont offer these with the A10 you prefer banging gears. If you were to get a ZL1 w/A10 its easy the camaro all the way around. The 6th Gen camaro is a phenomenal option and in just about every performance way superior to the C7Z.
I love the styling on the ZL, but really love the C7Z styling thats why i personally chose the Vette.
1.) I like the look of the car.
2.) Have never had a vette, and have hda 3 5th gen Camaro's
3.) Targa top.
As far as performance goes, edge goes to the Z06 in straight line, would need a Z07 package to be about the same as the Zl1/1LE, but then you get into the carbon ceramic brakes which I am not crazy about. Right now you can find a new 2018 ZL1/1LE for about 60-62k, which is pretty impressive. I did find a 2015 Z07 3LZ that I like with competition seats for 63k, but it has 28k miles.
#14
Take both for a test drive. I have a 17 Z and my neighbor has a 19 ZL1 E. Only thing better on the car is the seats. Wish I had them. It has a rougher ride for a DD for sure. If you need a back seat then you’ll have that. I prefer my Z and being able to take my top off 🌞
#15
I agree with everything you have said. There are 3 things that keep pulling me toward the Vette.
1.) I like the look of the car.
2.) Have never had a vette, and have hda 3 5th gen Camaro's
3.) Targa top.
As far as performance goes, edge goes to the Z06 in straight line, would need a Z07 package to be about the same as the Zl1/1LE, but then you get into the carbon ceramic brakes which I am not crazy about. Right now you can find a new 2018 ZL1/1LE for about 60-62k, which is pretty impressive. I did find a 2015 Z07 3LZ that I like with competition seats for 63k, but it has 28k miles.
1.) I like the look of the car.
2.) Have never had a vette, and have hda 3 5th gen Camaro's
3.) Targa top.
As far as performance goes, edge goes to the Z06 in straight line, would need a Z07 package to be about the same as the Zl1/1LE, but then you get into the carbon ceramic brakes which I am not crazy about. Right now you can find a new 2018 ZL1/1LE for about 60-62k, which is pretty impressive. I did find a 2015 Z07 3LZ that I like with competition seats for 63k, but it has 28k miles.
Shouldn't take much looking around to find a 15 or 16 Z06 with under 10K and Z07 package for right around that same 63k figure you mentioned above. I bought my 15 Z07 in April with 2900 miles for that and looked at 2 others in the same ballpark.
#16
Drifting
I came from a 14 1LE.. It came down to the same two cars you are thinking about. A 6th Gen ZL1/1LE or C7Z. In the end I chose the M7 Z06/Z07 because to me the style crushes the Camaro (I love the Camaros looks however) and I just felt more in tune with the road when pushing the Z to my limits (I still haven't found the cars limits).
Shouldn't take much looking around to find a 15 or 16 Z06 with under 10K and Z07 package for right around that same 63k figure you mentioned above. I bought my 15 Z07 in April with 2900 miles for that and looked at 2 others in the same ballpark.
Shouldn't take much looking around to find a 15 or 16 Z06 with under 10K and Z07 package for right around that same 63k figure you mentioned above. I bought my 15 Z07 in April with 2900 miles for that and looked at 2 others in the same ballpark.
#17
Lots of good points here and coming from a 14 ZL1 I agree on all of them. I got my 15 Z06/Z07 M7 car with 2900 miles on it in September of 17 for 68k so I'm sure you can find them for low 60's at this point with low mileage. I still think the 6th gen ZL1 is a nice looking car but the Z06 is just in another category especially when it comes to looks.
#19
Drifting
I agree with everything you have said. There are 3 things that keep pulling me toward the Vette.
1.) I like the look of the car.
2.) Have never had a vette, and have hda 3 5th gen Camaro's
3.) Targa top.
As far as performance goes, edge goes to the Z06 in straight line, would need a Z07 package to be about the same as the Zl1/1LE, but then you get into the carbon ceramic brakes which I am not crazy about. Right now you can find a new 2018 ZL1/1LE for about 60-62k, which is pretty impressive. I did find a 2015 Z07 3LZ that I like with competition seats for 63k, but it has 28k miles.
1.) I like the look of the car.
2.) Have never had a vette, and have hda 3 5th gen Camaro's
3.) Targa top.
As far as performance goes, edge goes to the Z06 in straight line, would need a Z07 package to be about the same as the Zl1/1LE, but then you get into the carbon ceramic brakes which I am not crazy about. Right now you can find a new 2018 ZL1/1LE for about 60-62k, which is pretty impressive. I did find a 2015 Z07 3LZ that I like with competition seats for 63k, but it has 28k miles.
#20
Hello,
I currently have a 5th gen ZL1 with a little over 700hp. Car has been great, but I have had it for a while, and want something different. I have basically narrowed it down to rhe ZL1/1LE or the C7Z. I have been doing a lot of research on the 2, but wanted to get some real world reviews of each if anyone has went from one to the other. I plan on driving both, but decision won’t be made until spring, and we get better wearher here. Any opinion is appreciated.
Thanks,
Travis
I currently have a 5th gen ZL1 with a little over 700hp. Car has been great, but I have had it for a while, and want something different. I have basically narrowed it down to rhe ZL1/1LE or the C7Z. I have been doing a lot of research on the 2, but wanted to get some real world reviews of each if anyone has went from one to the other. I plan on driving both, but decision won’t be made until spring, and we get better wearher here. Any opinion is appreciated.
Thanks,
Travis