need opinions on trim tag and stamp pad.
12-15-2018, 01:00 PM
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Don’t like any of it. The lack of grinding marks by the spot weld on the vin tag looks suspicious
but I am by know means a expert on this. Does this car come with any history or just stories
but I am by know means a expert on this. Does this car come with any history or just stories
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12-16-2018, 10:50 AM
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12-16-2018, 11:20 AM
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12-16-2018, 12:18 PM
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12-16-2018, 12:34 PM
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Stuff looks pretty good to me, only part that bothers me is the fact that the stamp pad is so clean. Numbers look good though, tags look real. That's my 2 c's.
12-16-2018, 01:00 PM
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Don't know if it's just me, or it's the angle of the photograph, but the configuration/shape of the stamp pad does not look correct for a 1963 327 "870" block...
12-16-2018, 02:16 PM
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Chuck, I think you're seeing the fuel line obscuring the casting edge.
The last "F" in the engine stamp is not typical. It appears as though the horizontal lines have been re-stamped deeper, as they are thin and shallow near their intersection with the vertical line, then abruptly get thick and deep. The lower cross line is also longer than seen on the typical "F" in "RF" stamps. The lack of broach marks in this area (as opposed to their presence in the VIN area) suggests something is amiss....
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12-16-2018, 02:33 PM
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Trim and VIN tags look fine, the stamp pad looks a bit dicey, bad picture, but it appears VIN stamp is going under the head?
12-16-2018, 02:38 PM
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12-16-2018, 03:04 PM
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Is this the car?
https://www.classiccarauction.us/pri...etails/?id=855
https://www.classiccarauction.us/pri...etails/?id=855
Vehicle Identification Number 30837S101422NCRS Top Flite® Award WinnerMatching Numbers ExampleConcours Level Restoration327 cid – 360 hp V-8 with fuel injection4-speed Borg-Warner manual transmission
12-16-2018, 03:16 PM
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Is this the car?
https://www.classiccarauction.us/pri...etails/?id=855
https://www.classiccarauction.us/pri...etails/?id=855
Vehicle Identification Number 30837S101422NCRS Top Flite® Award WinnerMatching Numbers ExampleConcours Level Restoration327 cid – 360 hp V-8 with fuel injection4-speed Borg-Warner manual transmission
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Chevro...3:pf:0&vxp=mtr
12-17-2018, 07:25 AM
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From what I saw after looking at a number of these cars if the trim tag is flat and neat it probably is not original. They usually got beat up and bent. If there are pictures of it prior to the restoration it would help answer the mystery because it has clearly been painted in that area because there should be grinder marks and heat damage near the vin tag spot weld. One thing to check is if there is a vin/trim tag decoder if you have the whole vin. A common mistake among the fake trim tags is the body production number does not line up with the vin issuance date. Lastly, the NCRS can verify if that is a real award or a fake as there are a number of DIY Top Flight Certificates.
12-17-2018, 11:56 AM
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I am sort of thinking that the second 'F' (after the 'R') was added after the fact, and was not part of the original engine pad stamp.
A stamp of FI004R would be a flint engine, assembled Oct 4th,
R is the code for 1962-1964 327, 250hp 4bbl engine, manual trans, in a passenger car.
These engines typically did NOT have the VIN stamped on them, so an R code engine block is a nice thing to find (as you can imagine). Add a character after the R, add your VIN derivative, and you have a matching number engine, WITHOUT having to resurface the engine pad.
A stamp of FI004R would be a flint engine, assembled Oct 4th,
R is the code for 1962-1964 327, 250hp 4bbl engine, manual trans, in a passenger car.
These engines typically did NOT have the VIN stamped on them, so an R code engine block is a nice thing to find (as you can imagine). Add a character after the R, add your VIN derivative, and you have a matching number engine, WITHOUT having to resurface the engine pad.
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