[C1] Changing shifter location on a Muncie
12-18-2018, 09:42 AM
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Changing shifter location on a Muncie
I have a M21 in my 57, and I recently lowered the trans mount by 1” to help driveline angle. I now have an issue with the shifter pinching the shifter boot when shifting to 2nd and 4th. Since the shifter plate has no adjustment, can the shifter itself be moved forward, say about 1/2”, by adjusting the shift rods as long as the shift gate relationship stays the same? Other option would be to swap shift levers to a short throw setup (with 2 holes), or drill my current levers. Looking for suggestions or advice from anyone who has been down this path. Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
12-18-2018, 10:00 AM
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12-18-2018, 01:55 PM
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I doubt all of your rods would clear unless you tweeted them! You might have to go aftermarket!
I prefer short throw in everything. The last aggravating long throw I drove was my Father's 1963 356B Porsche! I could practically rub her thigh while driving, while in 4th gear!
I prefer short throw in everything. The last aggravating long throw I drove was my Father's 1963 356B Porsche! I could practically rub her thigh while driving, while in 4th gear!
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12-18-2018, 02:31 PM
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I have a M21 in my 57, and I recently lowered the trans mount by 1” to help driveline angle. I now have an issue with the shifter pinching the shifter boot when shifting to 2nd and 4th. Since the shifter plate has no adjustment, can the shifter itself be moved forward, say about 1/2”, by adjusting the shift rods as long as the shift gate relationship stays the same? Other option would be to swap shift levers to a short throw setup (with 2 holes), or drill my current levers. Looking for suggestions or advice from anyone who has been down this path. Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
12-18-2018, 02:54 PM
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Hopefully Tom will read this. I touched base with him before I lowered my tranny to see if he had anything change - he indicated no ill effects. I’m not sure what kind of shifter he has on his 56 - may be something different.
12-18-2018, 03:08 PM
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12-18-2018, 03:46 PM
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No reason you can't adjust the rods longer to move the gear change gate forward i the opening if you have enough threads on the rods.
Forget drilling the shift levers, I think they are hardened steel. Maybe use the later arms with the pre-drilled holes?
Forget drilling the shift levers, I think they are hardened steel. Maybe use the later arms with the pre-drilled holes?
12-18-2018, 05:56 PM
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No major problems, Dan. I was having a very slight vibration occasionally which seems to be gone now. A few years back I had my front u joint come apart at high speed - no fun! I always wondered if driveline angle was the culprit? After a lot of research, including Tom Parsons’ write up on the matter, I took the time to make the change. Guess I just wanted to rule out any possibility of a repeat incident! I admit I was on the fence for some time - one of those “ if it ain’t broke” scenarios.
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If it is a Hurst, I had one that I slotted the two bottom holes on the mounting bracket to keep the handle from hitting the console on one car when shifting into 2nd and 4th.
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12-19-2018, 10:42 AM
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I think this is your easiest and best option. Doesn't require pulling the shifter or anything - just replace the levers and readjust. I never liked rowing the Muncie lever in the long throw position anyway.
12-19-2018, 03:13 PM
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I'll be watching this post. I have the same problem with the boot ripping on my stock 4 speed shifter (due to long throw) after about 30 miles of easy driving. Right now I have a RockAuto boot on it which is thicker, and stiffer rubber. I would prefer the stock boot. I also lowered my Muncie M-21 by 1 inch due to driveline angle issues. If someone has a source for adjustable shift levers, please let interested parties know.
Thanks,
Dennis
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12-19-2018, 04:08 PM
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When I bought my '63, the shift lever was pinching the boot on second and fourth gears. I simply lengthened the shift rods to move the handle forward in the opening a little. Problem solved.
It had the OEM shifter and B/W four speed. No short throw factory levers for that combo. Not that I'd want them.
It had the OEM shifter and B/W four speed. No short throw factory levers for that combo. Not that I'd want them.
12-19-2018, 04:19 PM
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When I bought my '63, the shift lever was pinching the boot on second and fourth gears. I simply lengthened the shift rods to move the handle forward in the opening a little. Problem solved.
It had the OEM shifter and B/W four speed. No short throw factory levers for that combo. Not that I'd want them.
It had the OEM shifter and B/W four speed. No short throw factory levers for that combo. Not that I'd want them.
12-19-2018, 05:05 PM
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My '65 three speed shifter doesn't rattle either and I like the long throw.
12-19-2018, 05:52 PM
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Just ordered the dual ratio shift levers for the c-2 Muncie from CC. Hope that these will take care of the problem. I will keep all posted.
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12-19-2018, 05:57 PM
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