Chasing Porsche GT2RS with C7 Corvette Z06 @ Sonoma Raceway
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12-19-2018, 11:00 AM
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Wow how many laps does a person have to follow you before you let them through. 
12-19-2018, 11:38 AM
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It's basically Time Trials rule with Club Racing type gentlemen's agreement wrt passing without the trophy at the end of the day. Sonoma (unlike Laguna) is notoriously hard to execute a safe pass, you can't really begrudge the Porsche for "not letting" the Corvette by if collaborative passing isn't part of the rules.
12-19-2018, 01:54 PM
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Probably over 400k If you could find one available. Seems silly to me to not allow a pass with a car that expensive.
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12-19-2018, 02:02 PM
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This could be one of those "open track" type events where the car behind has the responsibility to make a safe pass. Some, not all HPDE organizations have this sort of passing rules for the highest level and most experienced drivers in the group.
It's basically Time Trials rule with Club Racing type gentlemen's agreement wrt passing without the trophy at the end of the day. Sonoma (unlike Laguna) is notoriously hard to execute a safe pass, you can't really begrudge the Porsche for "not letting" the Corvette by if collaborative passing isn't part of the rules.
It's basically Time Trials rule with Club Racing type gentlemen's agreement wrt passing without the trophy at the end of the day. Sonoma (unlike Laguna) is notoriously hard to execute a safe pass, you can't really begrudge the Porsche for "not letting" the Corvette by if collaborative passing isn't part of the rules.
12-19-2018, 02:19 PM
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Either the person in the vette is a much better driver or the driver in the GT was being cautious. Given the price which is closer to $500k I'm guessing the Porsche driver wasn't pushing it. Equal drivers driving the limit and there would be no video.
12-19-2018, 05:30 PM
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There's plenty of places where the Porsche was pushing wide or oversteering, but not at corner exit where you could reasonably expect some throttle induced oversteer. A sign of someone not 100% in control of the car IMO. This one is ALL on the driver.
12-19-2018, 07:16 PM
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At 3:22 that z06 driver was probably like "oh hell this is going to be expensive". I dunno if those PDRs look closer than they are, but it looks like he was within inches of rear ending that car.
12-20-2018, 05:22 PM
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Curious if that oversteer mid corner from the GT2RS was driver induced? Many times beforehand but definitely at 5.:32 he should have let the Corvette by IMO.
Is that the same configuration as the SCCA Runoffs?
Is that the same configuration as the SCCA Runoffs?
12-21-2018, 09:19 AM
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12-21-2018, 09:53 AM
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I dunno. From my untrained eye, it looks like the Porsche guy is not as experienced or skilled or familiar with the track. But it had enough of an advantage powering out of turns that the Corvette can't simply overtake without taking some risks. Through the Esses, the sweeper, and some of the slower turns the Corvette would get stuck behind (impossible to pass in those sections) and the Porsche would power away at the beginning of straights and passing zones and gap JUST ENOUGH to make it impossible to pass without trusting in your brakes and dive bombing into turns.
There's plenty of places where the Porsche was pushing wide or oversteering, but not at corner exit where you could reasonably expect some throttle induced oversteer. A sign of someone not 100% in control of the car IMO. This one is ALL on the driver.
There's plenty of places where the Porsche was pushing wide or oversteering, but not at corner exit where you could reasonably expect some throttle induced oversteer. A sign of someone not 100% in control of the car IMO. This one is ALL on the driver.
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12-21-2018, 11:39 AM
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fun hero video for the C7 driver 
at :40 seconds nannies save the GT2 as it slides around the carousel.
Fortunately on the Porsche the software to manipulate each wheel independently through ABS, traction control and stability control was much better than the driver's skill.
As most would the GT2 owner stayed in front, did not want to chase, not worth the rock chips on his spotless paint and windshield.
Watching these new car chases with modern nannies seems to shade any driver's real skills.
Most if not all saves were by the GT2 computer, and a few saves could have been catastrophic with out modern nannies.
at :40 seconds nannies save the GT2 as it slides around the carousel.
Fortunately on the Porsche the software to manipulate each wheel independently through ABS, traction control and stability control was much better than the driver's skill.
As most would the GT2 owner stayed in front, did not want to chase, not worth the rock chips on his spotless paint and windshield.
Watching these new car chases with modern nannies seems to shade any driver's real skills.
Most if not all saves were by the GT2 computer, and a few saves could have been catastrophic with out modern nannies.
12-21-2018, 12:26 PM
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fun hero video for the C7 driver
at :40 seconds nannies save the GT2 as it slides around the carousel.
Fortunately on the Porsche the software to manipulate each wheel independently through ABS, traction control and stability control was much better than the driver's skill.
As most would the GT2 owner stayed in front, did not want to chase, not worth the rock chips on his spotless paint and windshield.
Watching these new car chases with modern nannies seems to shade any driver's real skills.
Most if not all saves were by the GT2 computer, and a few saves could have been catastrophic with out modern nannies.
at :40 seconds nannies save the GT2 as it slides around the carousel.
Fortunately on the Porsche the software to manipulate each wheel independently through ABS, traction control and stability control was much better than the driver's skill.
As most would the GT2 owner stayed in front, did not want to chase, not worth the rock chips on his spotless paint and windshield.
Watching these new car chases with modern nannies seems to shade any driver's real skills.
Most if not all saves were by the GT2 computer, and a few saves could have been catastrophic with out modern nannies.
12-21-2018, 01:06 PM
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Everybody out there is trying to improve there skill and enjoy their car in a safe environment. Leaving the nannies on is no crime and advised in many instances(the guy in the Z was in track mode). I think we all have to realize there's always going to be a different level of driver out there and we need to step back and chill out because it isn't a competition. If someone passes you because he has a faster car as long as he doesn't hold you up what difference does it make?
Last edited by pjazz; 12-21-2018 at 01:09 PM.
12-21-2018, 01:38 PM
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Well it ultimately makes no difference at all. What I was trying to get across is the feeling you get when you let someone by, then try and pace them for a lap to see where they were making up ground on you only to see they don't have much of a prayer of holding a line with out the car taking over. Nobody wants to crash their car, we all get that. But I don't think your doing your self many favors driving improvement wise by using nannies so much.
