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Old 02-15-2019, 08:49 AM
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Default 1967 L36 with a Top Flight question

What do you think of this Engine Stamp? I'm a bit suspicious, but it does have a Top Flight.

I'm guessing the price will rise a bit over the next few says...



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...t-corvette-32/

With 6 days left, it's jumped from $12,000 to $25,000 in the past hour...

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The pad surface is scratched from improper cleaning but I think the stamping is real.
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I would take it to the bank. Odd double stamp, scratches and all.

ps, oddities on a stamp pad will not prevent a TF in most cases on an otherwise mostly correct car. Especially at a Chapter meet as this judging was.

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Real deal
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Stamp is probably real, tank sticker and window sticker are not.
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Originally Posted by 65hihp
I , oddities on a stamp pad will not prevent a TF in most cases on an otherwise mostly correct car. .
I think a correct looking re-stamp would only deduct 38 points for broach marks.
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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe
Stamp is probably real, tank sticker and window sticker are not.
I agree. PS &PB has been added. Nice Corvette.
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Here's a few more- draw your own conclusion.
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Interesting. For personal eduction I try to evaluate these pads then read the knowledgeable comments to see if i’m learning what to look for. The circular tool marks imply to me the face was machined with a large end mill tool which if milled would have removed the stampings. Why do the circular cutting grooves not bother you guys? I don’t see any broach marks. Learning.
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It looks like someone lightly cleaned up this pad at some point. Possibly to remove paint- not the best way to do it.
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the broach marks are still visible in places. KingRat is right on. This pad has not been decked.
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I agree the pad is good. But window sticker is bogus, tank sticker may not be real (has one standout anomaly I have never seen before on hundreds of tank sheets I've analyzed), and front clip has been replaced. I don't see much to be excited about with this one.
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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe
I don't see much to be excited about with this one.
Unless it stayed at the current bid.
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Originally Posted by SupremeDeluxe
I agree the pad is good. But window sticker is bogus, tank sticker may not be real (has one standout anomaly I have never seen before on hundreds of tank sheets I've analyzed), and front clip has been replaced. I don't see much to be excited about with this one.
there is lot to be excited about if you can buy the car right. you get a clean freshly restored BB with a born with engine and a chapter top flight.
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
there is lot to be excited about if you can buy the car right. you get a clean freshly restored BB with a born with engine and a chapter top flight.
But that Top Flight was in 2005. Maybe there have been some parts exchanged since then?
Just saying....
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Originally Posted by vetsvette2002
But that Top Flight was in 2005. Maybe there have been some parts exchanged since then?
Just saying....
very well could or could not. A good inspection of the car will answer that. I’m not sure what all you picky buyers want from the pool of cars for sale. This one seems honest and the car speaks for it self. Believe it or not not all 67 where 435 black on red and still retain all seven copies of the build sheet
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Originally Posted by Lotsacubes
Interesting. For personal eduction I try to evaluate these pads then read the knowledgeable comments to see if i’m learning what to look for. The circular tool marks imply to me the face was machined with a large end mill tool which if milled would have removed the stampings. Why do the circular cutting grooves not bother you guys? I don’t see any broach marks. Learning.
My exact thought too. The numbers look legit, but the block has milling marks from being re-surfaced. All the 'correct' broach marks I've seen seem to run in line with the centerline of the block, not on a diagonal bias.....the times I've seen that diagonal marks, the block has been decked. What gives? The marks are much too consistent to have been done by errant cleaning with a pad or emery cloth...
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I am certainly no expert on engine stamps, but there is nothing uniform about these marks. They're about as uniform as a 3rd graders first attempt at cursive writing... back when children were taught cursive writing that is.

While I don't see any factory broach marks, I also don't see any milling machine marks. At least none from any milling machine I've ever seen.

It would appear that there are at least a few folks untroubled by it, it's currently up to $60,000 with almost 6 days remaining.



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Originally Posted by KingRat

Here's a few more- draw your own conclusion.
Kingrat's illustration is pretty irrefutable - that's an excellent example of an original stamp which proves that car has its born with 427. Anyone citing swirls and faint/missing broach marks are missing the point - the numbers are identical to several other samples of known original stamps - meaning it was stamped with the same gang holder at the factory. Engine stamp pads get rusty and dirty over the decades and some folks are heavy-handed when cleaning them up leaving swirls and obscuring broach marks. But in this case broach marks are irrelevant - the shape and position of the numbers speaks for itself.
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