Seat restarted "rocking" after the repair? Where to look now?
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Seat restarted "rocking" after the repair? Where to look now?
Hello,
is used a kit to repair my rocking seat. All went fine. after another 50km it starts to move again. I shortly took the seat out for track inspection and there is no motion of the track which means the repair works...but then where is this movement of the seat coming?
any ideas welcome.
TCFS
is used a kit to repair my rocking seat. All went fine. after another 50km it starts to move again. I shortly took the seat out for track inspection and there is no motion of the track which means the repair works...but then where is this movement of the seat coming?
any ideas welcome.
TCFS
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I would like to hear more about this as well. My low mileage seat recently started rocking as well. I have the repair washers for the tracks but have not installed them yet as I am not confident it's going to accomplish the fix.
If I understand correctly the washers take up space in the gearbox from deteriorated factory parts preventing the seat from moving back and forth horizontally with the track. I get that. The feeling I am getting with my drivers seat is not a back and fourth on the track it is in fact rocking like a rocking chair. Like there is wear between the fixed track and sliding track.
Hoping your thread brings out more info.
If I understand correctly the washers take up space in the gearbox from deteriorated factory parts preventing the seat from moving back and forth horizontally with the track. I get that. The feeling I am getting with my drivers seat is not a back and fourth on the track it is in fact rocking like a rocking chair. Like there is wear between the fixed track and sliding track.
Hoping your thread brings out more info.
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Hi,
the repair was necessary since the rubber spacers were completely gone. Though, this solved a back-to-front motion on the tracks. My tracks are fine, I cannot find a loose part. It looks like the driver seats back brackets attaching the mechanism to the tracks have been repaired, and they look solid.
it can be several things, in my first understanding of the seat, the lifting mechanism or more simple the attachments of the seats frame to the mechanisms.
obviously, I will have to take the seat off the car to check where is the unexpected loose end.
TCFS
the repair was necessary since the rubber spacers were completely gone. Though, this solved a back-to-front motion on the tracks. My tracks are fine, I cannot find a loose part. It looks like the driver seats back brackets attaching the mechanism to the tracks have been repaired, and they look solid.
it can be several things, in my first understanding of the seat, the lifting mechanism or more simple the attachments of the seats frame to the mechanisms.
obviously, I will have to take the seat off the car to check where is the unexpected loose end.
TCFS
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I went through the same scenario, with my '01 coupe....replaced the rubber insulators of the tracks, with the Teflon pieces. That was good for a few years, but then the seat started rocking again. I bought the "kits" from C&S Corvette parts, last year, and so far, so good.
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...If I understand correctly the washers take up space in the gearbox from deteriorated factory parts preventing the seat from moving back and forth horizontally with the track. I get that. The feeling I am getting with my drivers seat is not a back and fourth on the track it is in fact rocking like a rocking chair. Like there is wear between the fixed track and sliding track...
Sliding seat:
Rocking seat:
Besides the problem with the shims (sliding seat), there is also the possibility of 1 or 2 flanges at the rear of the seat track being bent or broken (rocking seat).
This video explains in a very detailed way the replacement process of both, shims and flanges.
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Ok
i took the seat out of the car.
before this, in my driving position, rear down max, front up max --> there is motion. Before taking the seat out of the car I lifted the rear up to the max to ensure I have room to work on the table....surprise, not motion anymore....once on the kitchen table.
question: is there a way to power the seat on my table (I have a 12V continuous power supply) without risk for the seat module. I mean, is it ok to plug 12V directly to the main connector and try to lower the rear of the seat, without risking to burn anything?
has anyone done it before? I would hate to burn anything by trying to power the seat, and the car is 500m away... in the garage...so not so easy to just plug back.
thank you in advance to share your experience.
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i took the seat out of the car.
before this, in my driving position, rear down max, front up max --> there is motion. Before taking the seat out of the car I lifted the rear up to the max to ensure I have room to work on the table....surprise, not motion anymore....once on the kitchen table.
question: is there a way to power the seat on my table (I have a 12V continuous power supply) without risk for the seat module. I mean, is it ok to plug 12V directly to the main connector and try to lower the rear of the seat, without risking to burn anything?
has anyone done it before? I would hate to burn anything by trying to power the seat, and the car is 500m away... in the garage...so not so easy to just plug back.
thank you in advance to share your experience.
TCFS
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Play was found in the circled areas of the up/down mechanisms:
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Culprit found
Hi,
placed the seat back in the car to put it in position. I had my "walk of shame" with my trolley in the neighborhood ...
then in place it back on my trolley, tightened it and filmed the underneath carriage and play.
i found the culprit, and I don't think we can do much about it. It is the transfer case from the motor to the clevis screw. The gear or bushing of the transfer case is moving 1/2mm. The bracket holding the cases and motors is riveted in the track. Beside dismantling the full seat and trying to find new gear on the market, I decided I will live with it.
Here a short video showing the issue.
i did press in the 2shafts which hold the transfer cases to the brackets.
Thanks for your help.
TCFS
placed the seat back in the car to put it in position. I had my "walk of shame" with my trolley in the neighborhood ...
then in place it back on my trolley, tightened it and filmed the underneath carriage and play.
i found the culprit, and I don't think we can do much about it. It is the transfer case from the motor to the clevis screw. The gear or bushing of the transfer case is moving 1/2mm. The bracket holding the cases and motors is riveted in the track. Beside dismantling the full seat and trying to find new gear on the market, I decided I will live with it.
Here a short video showing the issue.
i did press in the 2shafts which hold the transfer cases to the brackets.
Thanks for your help.
TCFS
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This is a fantastic demonstration with exactly what's wrong with my C5 seat. There is so much play in there, the front lifts so much. Are we just under the conclusion that these seats are junk? I can't believe my fat *** is held up by two rivets holding a single piece of aluminum. I had to resurrect this thread because I have been scouring for someone with the problem and finally found it (I do not have the track rubber bushing problem, I have this up down problem).
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
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This is a fantastic demonstration with exactly what's wrong with my C5 seat. There is so much play in there, the front lifts so much. Are we just under the conclusion that these seats are junk? I can't believe my fat *** is held up by two rivets holding a single piece of aluminum. I had to resurrect this thread because I have been scouring for someone with the problem and finally found it (I do not have the track rubber bushing problem, I have this up down problem).
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
You will need to disassemble the seat track and drill out the two rivets holding the front and rear transmission bracket in place. From there you can remove the pin that holds the transmission to the bracket and you will have enough room to pop the cover off. If GM had just put those pins in from the other direction it would be easy to remove.
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This is a fantastic demonstration with exactly what's wrong with my C5 seat. There is so much play in there, the front lifts so much. Are we just under the conclusion that these seats are junk? I can't believe my fat *** is held up by two rivets holding a single piece of aluminum. I had to resurrect this thread because I have been scouring for someone with the problem and finally found it (I do not have the track rubber bushing problem, I have this up down problem).
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
I have though of disconnecting the up/down adjuster cable and doing some ghetto clamps and bolts solution to make it rigid.
my car has 125kmiles and a crash I cant say the seats are **** 🙁
i can only say it is difficult to repair due to the motors are riveted to the seat frame.
i guess you can do has mentioned above.
TCFS