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Does it make sense to show a non-numbers matching c2
I just bought a 1965 c2 knowing that the engine number (and perhaps the transmissions ) does not match the car. I wasn't too concerned because I was planning to make the car a daily driver. Well when I received the car I was surprised to find that the chassis was restored well with original parts reconditioned to new.
Is there any restoration class where nin numbers matching cars can compete against pther non-numbers matching cars.
I ask because I am restoring a few things in the interior and im wondering how original i should keep little thigs, such as missing screws, etc.
Leop…..the only place where the motor's stamped heritage makes a difference is NCRS. Other than that, local car shows could care less about that. Even AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) will not look at the stamp numbers on the motor....their judges are generally less detailed than NCRS judges who MUST review the stamping and determine originality. AACA judges would normally check the look of the engine for the way it should look from factory as best they can be aware given that their judging is not specific for each car type. Example....my '65 Coupe was being judged against a '64 at an AACA meet. One of the judges looking at our cars was smart enough to realize that the '64's side pipes were not correct and not available in that model year. So, he lost points. But that was just because there was one judge in that group who was familiar with Corvettes. So....don't worry about your non-original motor. Make it pretty, detail it up and enjoy. And congrats from another '65 owner!
Leop…..the only place where the motor's stamped heritage makes a difference is NCRS. Other than that, local car shows could care less about that. Even AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) will not look at the stamp numbers on the motor....their judges are generally less detailed than NCRS judges who MUST review the stamping and determine originality. AACA judges would normally check the look of the engine for the way it should look from factory as best they can be aware given that their judging is not specific for each car type. Example....my '65 Coupe was being judged against a '64 at an AACA meet. One of the judges looking at our cars was smart enough to realize that the '64's side pipes were not correct and not available in that model year. So, he lost points. But that was just because there was one judge in that group who was familiar with Corvettes. So....don't worry about your non-original motor. Make it pretty, detail it up and enjoy. And congrats from another '65 owner!
I took my Non NCRS Aluminum Bowtie all GM Performance parts engined car to a show in the 90s and wasn’t bothered at all, about what the Judges thought! I have a newer nicer and shinier engine now!
Would rather have a great 4 bolt main HD block, 4340 crank, Racing rods, etc than any production stuff!
Last edited by TCracingCA; 06-17-2019 at 12:17 AM.
Yep I had a very quick 350 in my 59 and never had anyone say anything but good things about it at shows but at that time there were no NCRS judging criteria over here in Aus but for the majority of non-NCRS car shows no-one cares about matching numbers especially if your car is nice.
There is at least one new NCRS judging class where matching numbers are not important....
And a motor stamp pad that appears as factory but is a restamp can still compete in Flight Judging and the car can even get a Top Flight but the pad will be an 88 point "hit"...
Hi c2 make the way your & people drool over & compliment you on the car all over the place even just gas stations. Good luck
x2 on this!! Very few care about #s..in real life at shows they area looking at visual more than anything.
Having it judged thats different.....if you build it to suit others you will NOT be happy with it. SAme goes wiht paint wheels etc.
I ask because I am restoring a few things in the interior and im wondering how original i should keep little thigs, such as missing screws, etc.
Any guidance would be very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
Leo
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Leo, you are headed to the medicine cabinet for the Excedrin if you drill down on all these little details for a car intended for enjoyment at local shows, cars-n-coffee etc. Just make the car safe, reliable, and presentable. Then "drive the miles and you'll get the smiles! Dennis
Yep....forgot Bloomington. I took my '87 to BG and got Gold award. Their judging was fast compared to NCRS....the '87 got an NCRS Top Flight as well and that took much longer. Just my experience. Pic from many moons ago.
Why not keep the little things “original “. Takes just a little more effort and most of the time not much more cost. Original parts FIT right and LOOK right. Show it- Drive it- Enjoy it.
Why not keep the little things “original “. Takes just a little more effort and most of the time not much more cost. Original parts FIT right and LOOK right. Show it- Drive it- Enjoy it.
I totally agree and this is what i always try to do. Unfortunately some of the screws that hold on the internal stainless steel trim are either totaly wrong ot more bothersome just rusted to a pale brown. After i polished that trim and re-installed it your eye goes straight to that screw!
At the same time the center console has the middle screw hole split in half, with a cracks forward and back from that area. Im not going to mess with. Perhaps figure out a way to fix it someday, but for now just leave it alone.
I don't know that there is any logic as to fix versus buy. It usually just comes down to the cost with the fun factor, or lack thereof, weighing in.
A SBC engine is a SBC engine, you can make a 350 look like a 283 or 327 with a little work. When I first got my 59, the engine compartment looked horrible, kept me from winning at local shows. But a little paint, a little chrome, and trying to duplicate stock made it come out a whole lot prettier. Now I can compete with the best of them.
Guess it depends on where you want to show it. My 64 has a period correct 327 dressed with the shields, etc but most all of that bling is repro stuff. The rest of the car has been amateur restored, carpet, dash, door panels etc. dyed to get rid of fading. It’s totally a driver and I win several trophies every year. Just won one in the C2 class last week at an all Corvette show.
The car wouldn’t get a second glance at an NCRS judging event but holds its own at the typical city events, morning coffees, charity events etc.
You will enjoy, usually , talking to people that stop to admire your car. Not everyone has one and you’ll find that many wish they did. I have never had anyone belittle it because it’s not “correct”.
Clean it, fix the things you want to, freshen up things that are faded, drive it and show it. Most of all have fun with it. Dave
06-16-2019, 10:16 PM
Does it make sense to show a non-numbers matching c2
Dennis
, talking to people that stop to admire your car. Not everyone has one and you’ll find that many wish they did. I have never had anyone belittle it because it’s not “correct”.
Dave