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So my C7 is starting the known A8 torque converter shudder issue. Its pretty light but noticeable if going a very steady 50 mph (stops if you speed up or slow down). I went into chevy dealer to see what they thought (expecting they want to triple flush) and they want to put in all new torque converter. I asked if the computer said the torque converter was past the point of no return or is that the simply best route if under after market warrenty?

If they put in a 100% brand new torque converter would it be a updated model to prevent this from happening again in 5-6 years? Is putting a new torque converter in overkill? Are they likely to put in a used one that could be worse than mine? My deductable is $200 I think so if approved I guess thats allot less than triple flush/.

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If I understand correctly, a GM dealer is will to do a TC swap and it will be only your $200 aftermarket warranty? Beats paying thousands for this job out-of-pocket! Go for it.

You can search the threads as I seem to remember after-market ones are available and even if your warranty won't pay for it, you might find it worth the peace-of-mind to pay for it yourself.
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If I understand correctly, a GM dealer is will to do a TC swap and it will be only your $200 aftermarket warranty? Beats paying thousands for this job out-of-pocket! Go for it.

You can search the threads as I seem to remember after-market ones are available and even if your warranty won't pay for it, you might find it worth the peace-of-mind to pay for it yourself.

Yes it would be a TC swap. They spoke the the warrenty company. I guess they will send an employee to verify before approval. I was just kinda shocked they would suggest replacing it and not just starting with the common cure of triple flush.
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Hello @mightygreentea
Is your C7 still on the original trans fluid or has the fluid been replaced in the past with the new formula fluid?
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Is your C7 still on the original trans fluid or has the fluid been replaced in the past with the new formula fluid?
I would need to look into that, explain the difference please. No mods or anuthing like that, Original? GM says change every 45K miles, Im not near that so guessing no?

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Originally Posted by mightygreentea
I would need to look into that, explain the difference please. No mods or anuthing like that, Original? GM says change every 45K miles, Im not near that so guessing no?
Mobile1 received in late 2018 notice from GM about reformulating the Mobil 1 Synthetic LV ATF HP transmission fluid at GM's request. The reformulated fluid part number is 124715. If your 2019 C7 Corvette (with the 8L90 8-speed automatic) has a build date of February 1, 2019, or later, it came from the factory with the updated fluid designed to address the "shudder" issue. Most shudder problems have been resolved by replacing the transmission fluid with the new reformulated Mobil 1. Transmission fluid is hygroscopic and should be replaced over a period of time regardless of milage. This especially applies if your C7 has the older Mobil 1 transmission fluid.

Replacing the torque converter is not a trivial task, and not all GM dealerships have the skillset for such a task. Get it wrong during reassembly and it will damage the thrust bearing. The damage will not be immediate but many months later. See the attached doc.

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Let them do the TC swap and the flush with the newer fluid, then buy a Range device and never let it go into V4 mode again and you should never have another issue.
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Originally Posted by mightygreentea
Yes it would be a TC swap. They spoke the the warrenty company. I guess they will send an employee to verify before approval. I was just kinda shocked they would suggest replacing it and not just starting with the common cure of triple flush.
My guess is that YOU are going to end up with a $1200 bill with the triple flush. With a TC, warranty pays for it and you pay $200. Which is an easier sell to the customer? Triple flush isn't without risk. You waited this long for it to pick up moisture and display symptoms and it might already be too late. With a TC change, all the fluid will be replaced with fresh fluid that isn't as hygroscopic. For $200, I'd definitely do it. No brainer.
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Let them do the TC swap and the flush with the newer fluid, then buy a Range device and never let it go into V4 mode again and you should never have another issue.
Isn't the issue that the fluid picks up moisture and when it hits a certain critical mass the symptoms are more prominent? When they drop the trans and take the TC out, isn't most of the fluid going to be out so why do the triple flush or any flush?
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I would think that as part of the torque converter swap, the new GM trans fluid would be part of the repair, ask your dealer to be sure
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I'd just do the triple flush first since the problem just appeared. I'll bet that just this will repair the issue.

Removing the whole back end to replace a TC is very involved. Being an A8 (the only trans that has a TC) if you don't get the drive shaft clearance just right you'll take out the engines thrust bearing and will be replacing the complete engine.
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