MJM

First off, thanks for adjusting the rules. I will still blame Howie for things I don't agree with though.


Why disqualify times from the first session?

Matt

MJM

Why is it allowed to increase tire width but get no points penalty? Someone could keep the same tread wear rating but go out to 335s or 345s. Custom wheels are very expensive.

Matt

MJM

I don't think diversity means "go to crappy track 3 times".

I understand you have to work within the SV schedule, couldn't you use one of the trophy girls to influence Aaron?

Matt

MJM

yep, got it. I might be eastbound and down headed to Texas for Christmas by then but I will try.

Matt

Dirty Howie

Sorry, I stashed the trophy girl away in a safe place


DH

Hercules Rockefeller

My original thought on this was that the gains associated with increasing tire size were minimal... but I could be wrong. If this is a popular sentiment, I could make increasing tire size a small point penalty, for example increasing the width of either the front or rear tires more than 20mm or more (e.g. going from 325 to 345) would be a 5 or maybe 10 point penalty?

Regarding the not timing of the first session, this is also open for debate. The thought here is that some people don't even get to run the first session, and sometimes we need that time to help organize and classify new arrivals to the series. But if this isn't too much of a concern, we could just time all of the sessions... it's not too important to me either way.

Dirty Howie

Rob

We have not had any problems or complaints with timing the first 3 sessions all season. I think this should remain unchanged and you need to get your lazy A$$ up early like the rest of us

My question is for the stock C6Z06. Will the guys that add 30 points worth of tires be considerably faster? Maybe the stock C6Z06 should be at the limit of Modified and any tire upgrade puts you into Super Modified. I know everyone that could was running the R888 for better times last year.


DH

Sidney004

I think every session ought to count. It doesn't penalize anyone.

Dirty Howie

Sid

The problem with timing the last session was that we need to get all the point totals together and arrange the trophies prior to the day ending ceremonies. Waiting for the times from the last session, especially the very last group (slow guys) is a big problem. As it is there is usually several guys that leave early before the ceremonies.


DH

redtopz

I think Dan hit the nail on the head here. I would agree with these changes. Other than power and weight, tires are the biggest factor in reducing lap times so we need to get the points right here. Anything other than a stock street tire needs to be penalized. A r-comp tire such as r888 or nt01 should bump the C6Z into super mod. The new goodyear dot A compound tire should be added to the hoosier A6 line. For time trials I don't think tire width makes enough difference to warrant points.

Other than these minor changes, I think Herc did a great job improving and simplifying the rules for 2012 .

Dirty Howie

I am thinking this is the ONLY necessary adjustment as well

I know I have maxed out what my tires can do


DH

Hercules Rockefeller

OK, I see where you guys are coming from. I know that an R888 is faster, no doubt about that. My thought was that most guys running in the challenge are going to have some kind of minor mod and still want to run in the stock C6 Z06 class, aka "modified". But I think I shouldn't have made R888's one of those "minor" mods, they just make too much of a difference. So what I'll do is rework the tire mod points a little so that you can still have a few small mods on your C6z without being bumped all the way to supermod (e.g. sway bars, or maybe a rear spoiler, stuff like that), but if you go with something beyond a good street tire, whether it's an R888 or a full Hoosier A6, then you have to figure out how to be competitive in supermod. This could be running with increased power (cam and tune with R888's, or just with increased grip, e.g. coilovers and hoosiers). How does that sound?

Dirty Howie

That sounds better. Lets not forget we moved the C6Z up in class so all the other cars have a lower class they can compete in!!


DH

frank dupuy

I like the idea of making the stock C6-Z06 the top rated car in modified. By adding just R888 tires to the stock C6-Z06 would make it hard to compete with in modified. My 2002 Z06 that I ran in modified last season was consistently slower then "all" the C6 Z06 cars in modified and in 'stock" class. Howie made my point by turning in times in the stock class that would put him on the podium in modified most days last season. The LS7 motor "alone" belongs in modified.

solo2_z06

You mean the tracks that require driving skills rather then just horsepower...

Good job on the rules HR.

GaryMc

nhpln

I agree. 1st session should definitely count. Last session not so much because of the logistics issues already mentioned and that people usually get slower as the day goes on (hotter, fatigue, etc...).

I still remember the argument you made at Laguna. Something to the effect of "count the first session since my car is still running" Made my day.

Hercules Rockefeller

1) You must drive a car based on a production Corvette model (no C6.R’s or purpose built racecars)

2) Cars will be classified into the following divisions:
Stock 0 – 100 points
Modified 101 – 200 points
Super Modified 201 – 300 points
Unlimited 301+ points

3) Points will be determined by a combination of the model Corvette you are driving, and the modifications you have done to that vehicle. Most modifications add points (effectively putting you into a higher class), however there are some modifications that actually *decrease* your point total (e.g. most safety equipment). The base point value of your Corvette is as follows:

Base points for a C4/C5 = 0
Base points for a C5 Z06 or C6 (w/ LS2) = 50
Base points for a C6 (LS3) = 70
Base points for a C6 Grandsport = 80
Base points for a C6 Z06 = 170
Base points for a C6 ZR1 = 260

Points for modifications are as follows:

Engine
Increase Engine displacement: +10 for every 100cc
Forced Induction: +120 points
Aftermarket Cam: +50 points
Remove cats: +5 points
Headers: +5 points
ECU retuned: +25 points
Aftermarket/Modified heads: +15 points

Tires
Treadwear 200+: 0 points
Treadwear 140-199: +20 points
Treadwear 100-139: +50 points
Treadwear 50-99: +70 points
Hoosier R6, Kumho V700, BF Goodrich R1, Goodyear Eagle RS DOT: +110 points
Hoosier A6: +130 points
Non-DOT full racing slick: +140 points

Transmission
Close Ratio Transmission: +15 points
Sequential Transmission: +25 points

Suspension & Brakes
Coilovers: +20 points
Aftermarket shocks (w/ stock springs): +5 points
Aftermarket springs (w/ stock shocks): +15 points
Any changes to OEM sway bars: +10 points
Note: All modifications to suspension geometry, brakes, endlinks, bushings, or modified ride heights and/or alignments are unrestricted (0 points)

Aero
Rear spoiler (non OEM): 5 points
Any rear wing: 15 points
Rear wing and spoiler: 15 points
Front end aerodynamics (e.g. splitters, canards, etc.): 10 points
Vented/Aftermarket hood: 5 points
Any other aero bits (e.g. ZR1 side skirts): 0 points

Misc

Removal of parts for weight reduction purposes (e.g. removal of passenger seat, interior carpeting, speakers, air conditioning unit, interior panels, etc.): +10 points each

SCCA or FIA licensed driver with more than 3 podium finishes must run Unlimited Class regardless of car.

Any other modifications not covered above add 0 points.

Safety

Full cage or Rollbar (not a harness bar): –10 points

4) The fastest single timed lap of the day will be considered for the competition. In the case of a tie, the second fastest times will be considered. In most cases the the first four run sessions will be the ones that count, however this may changed at the beginning of the day due to any special circumstances (e.g. weather).

5) Points will be awarded to the top finishers as follows:

1st - 10 points
2nd - 6 points
3rd - 4 points
4th - 3 points
5th - 2 points
6th - 1 point

The driver must be present to win a trophy. Gift certificates applicable to a future Speedventures event will be available in lieu of a trophy, at the winning driver's option. For season point totals only the top 6 finishes will count. At the end of the season, ties are broken by giving the higher position to the driver with the greater number of 1st place finishes, or, if that still results in a tie, 2nd place finishes (and so on).


With these rules, we will have a C6 Z06 on NT-05's represent a competitive "modified" class car, with a little room left over for really minor mods, e.g. a rear spoiler or louvered hood. Really crazy guys who always complain that they can't be competitive (ahem... Howie...) can take out their passenger seat and immediately feel "competitive" by maxing out their points on NT-05's. Alternatively, there could be C6 Z06's on stock runflats running with coilovers and sway bars, or a C5 Z06 or LS2 equipped C6 that has Hoosier R6's along with coilovers and swaybars and no passenger seat. In stock class, competitive cars would be an otherwise bone stock C5 z06 running on R888's, or a C6 Grandsport on NT05's, or C5z/C6 running coilovers, bars, and NT05's. Seems like a pretty good match-up to me, but if anyone has any additional tweaks the rules are still open to negotiation. We want to make this upcoming season as competitive and fun as possible, so please keep the suggestions coming!

sallen619

I think 25 points is a little high for a tune...I believe +15 points is fair.

dbratten

Wow, thanks HR. You have now bumped me to SM with the extra 10 points for Kumho 710s that you chose to add. That should teach me to speak out.


Nah!

doveboat

HR Regarding Brakes

"Note: All modifications to suspension geometry, brakes, endlinks, bushings, or modified ride heights and/or alignments are unrestricted (0 points)"

To clarify, does this mean you can add bigger brakes (OEM of after market), 2 piece rotors without any point charges ?

The rules look good

Ed