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Well as the guy who started this discussion, I'm passing on my first 911 . . . . for now. Not gonna pay the current 911 tax.
I found a 911 GTS and a Panamera GTS, both 2019, both white with similar options and mileage. The Panamera is $55k, the 911 almost $100k more.
Sitting in the two vehicles looks almost identical . . . a lot of the switchgear, infotainment, brakes, wheels, seats, more might even be the same exact stuff. Its crazy
I know the 911 is a much different vehicle then a Panamera, but still . . . three times better ??
So not going to do it. If the market comes back to normal a bit, which it may, I may reconsider . . . really liking the recent Targa models.
Well as the guy who started this discussion, I'm passing on my first 911 . . . . for now. Not gonna pay the current 911 tax.
I found a 911 GTS and a Panamera GTS, both 2019, both white with similar options and mileage. The Panamera is $55k, the 911 almost $100k more.
Sitting in the two vehicles looks almost identical . . . a lot of the switchgear, infotainment, brakes, wheels, seats, more might even be the same exact stuff. Its crazy
I know the 911 is a much different vehicle then a Panamera, but still . . . three times better ??
So not going to do it. If the market comes back to normal a bit, which it may, I may reconsider . . . really liking the recent Targa models.
Fun cars are an emotional purchase not a logical one. You're trying to make it a logical purchase. Secondly, you're looking at the cost of the car only. Just remember when you buy it you'll likely recoup a good chunk of change when you go to sell it. The 911 market is stable so it's really a rather cheap car to own/operate if you look at your cost of entry and return at exit. It's not like you're spending $100K+ and then walking away with $30K when you go to sell it. You'll sell it for still $100K+ likely in the end.
This is worded like you think regular car buying is logical. No car purchase makes logical sense really, fun cars aren't special in that regard.
But I wouldn't say its emotional either.
Now practical versus less practical, that may be true. Perhaps this is why I don't understand people with more money than me, "status chasing" is foolish, buy something because you want it not because people will think you are cool or because someone else has one. My fun cars are for me, they aren't emotional, they aren't logical, they are a combination of practical and interesting.
I agree with most of what you say however you're still missing my point. When you're going for "that car" going for anything but with your emotion will set you up with a compromise. If the OP desires a 911 and has the financial means to do so. DO IT. Don't sit there and crunch numbers. You live once. You worked your butt off. Buy it. I am no Porsche fan but man their market is stable. I go back to the post above yours that I made. You can probably buy one for $100,000 to $200,000 and walk away without much of a loss at all when ready to move on if you buy the right model year and spec.
Fun cars are an emotional purchase not a logical one. You're trying to make it a logical purchase. Secondly, you're looking at the cost of the car only. Just remember when you buy it you'll likely recoup a good chunk of change when you go to sell it. The 911 market is stable so it's really a rather cheap car to own/operate if you look at your cost of entry and return at exit. It's not like you're spending $100K+ and then walking away with $30K when you go to sell it. You'll sell it for still $100K+ likely in the end.
Very sound advice if you're getting a bucket list car...Yes you'll tie up some money but in the end you'll still have a car worth a lot of money...Its not like you're buying a Tesla or a BMW 7 series that loses 60 percent of retail in a couple years...
This is worded like you think regular car buying is logical. No car purchase makes logical sense really, fun cars aren't special in that regard.
But I wouldn't say its emotional either.
Now practical versus less practical, that may be true. Perhaps this is why I don't understand people with more money than me, "status chasing" is foolish, buy something because you want it not because people will think you are cool or because someone else has one. My fun cars are for me, they aren't emotional, they aren't logical, they are a combination of practical and interesting.
I get the point but that's an opinion and opinions differ.
Tell that to someone who finally, after many decades, is purchasing their very first Corvette, something they have wanted but could only make it happen after years and years of saving and focus.
I'd bet ya they wouldn't say they bought it primarily because it is "interesting".
You can believe, when I bought my Turbo S, that was one hell of an amazing day and years following every time I took that car for a drive.
Cars can certainly be an emotional purchase for some people and there is nothing wrong with that.
Car dealers love people who are emotional about buying them, its how they make their money. I like specific cars, but not enough to pay through the nose.
If I couldn't go into a car dealership and order the car I wanted, it would be taken off the list. I don't suffer bullshit. No one should, teach all these people a lesson. I'll go take my money somewhere else.
hehe I agree.
I wouldn't ever pay an ADM, I don't have that kind of money to throw around.
I agree with most of what you say however you're still missing my point. When you're going for "that car" going for anything but with your emotion will set you up with a compromise. If the OP desires a 911 and has the financial means to do so. DO IT. Don't sit there and crunch numbers. You live once. You worked your butt off. Buy it. I am no Porsche fan but man their market is stable. I go back to the post above yours that I made. You can probably buy one for $100,000 to $200,000 and walk away without much of a loss at all when ready to move on if you buy the right model year and spec.
Once again, as the OP, I appreciate this discussion. Our family has bought about 30 cars and I've had plenty of "fun" vehicles. I have no complaints.
But I would not call the 911 a "bucket list" car for me . . . more of a " hey I know these are great cars, and I can fit in one of these new 911's now, when 15 years ago they were too small." {I am 6'2)
And even though I am fortunate and have worked hard and I can financially get a 911, I really had no idea they had become so pricey. For what they are asking I can essentially buy almost any brand new vehicle, from any mainstream manufacturer, a nice pre-owned exotic or Bentley convertible, a fully restored Jaguar XKE or vintage Corvette, and more. Vehicles I never considered . . .the options are endless for that price. And based on my test drives I can't see the 911 is really worth that money, even though that's obviously the market.
That said, I understand the 911s hold their value. So I'm still looking at many options . . . . including the newer 911 Targa, which I find stunning.
I keep beating around the idea of getting a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0. Manual of course. I could live with the PDK though.
I looked hard at the C8. Go in to the general forum and it seems every fourth or fifth thread is on the transmission. The amount of servicing it requires seems like a pain in the ***.
I keep beating around the idea of getting a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0. Manual of course. I could live with the PDK though.
I looked hard at the C8. Go in to the general forum and it seems every fourth or fifth thread is on the transmission. The amount of servicing it requires seems like a pain in the ***.
PDK is nice, though I will admit, I had some difficulty adapting to it in manual mode when driven in anger, I've always thrown a shifter, not a paddle, so it was odd but became better over time.
I'd actually feel more comfortable with the manual in general, even if I were slower.
PDK is nice, though I will admit, I had some difficulty adapting to it in manual mode when driven in anger, I've always thrown a shifter, not a paddle, so it was odd but became better over time.
I'd actually feel more comfortable with the manual in general, even if I were slower.
Originally Posted by Silverback51
There is a lot to be said for nailing a good heel/toe downshift in the twisties.
Sure used to bring a smile to my face.
Yes I am looking for a manual as well . . . not a PDK. For fun I drove a new Toyota GR Corolla with a manual transmission yesterday. Its got a little 3 cylinder motor with 300 hp, a carbon fiber roof and AWD. What a blast that car was. About $50k, which seems high for a Corolla, but I'd say its really a pure sports car under a Corolla body.
Used Porsches are not all Up. The years and models cycle in prices, Up & Down. They don't necessarily move in a straight line, Up or Down.. Also - marketing areas differ.
Porsches are valuable but plentiful. Porsches are not comparable to Corvettes. Corvettes by their nature of sheer volume produced, are not valuable. Sure some years and models are, but very few.
You came away surprised at the price of the used Porsche 911, as compared to your used Corvette. As I, and most Porsche people will agree Corvettes aren't comparable with Porsche 911s.
Another thing you said was that the Porsche would replace your Corvette. That's a big reach into a very different sports car. But at least you took a shot at it driving a used '22 911.
I predict a very long road for your deciding which Porsche will be replacing your used Corvette. The new and used Porsche, and Porsche 911 market is very far and wide in years and models to consider. Corvette offers a very dependable and inexpensive sports car for the money. Porsche? Not as much. But the unmistakable Porsche mystique comes with every Porsche.
There's several YouTube used Porsche experts to follow for prices and descriptions of year and model Porsches. It's easy to fall in love with one year model, or, many years and models. So much information out there to consider.