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Old 06-10-2009, 12:31 AM
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Default Should I risk another weekend on these bushings?

Found this tonight prepping for the weekend. The lower fronts and upper rears on the front control arms (both sides) are pretty much completely pushed out (lower R/F being the worst). I'm supposed to head to Road ATL this weekend, but now I'm not so sure.

I'm not worried about which type/brand bushings are the best to replace them with right now. I just need to know if it's best to sit out this weekend before either the cradle or controls arms themselves are damaged.

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Right front:


Old 06-10-2009, 07:36 AM
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how many street/tracks miles on the car
Old 06-10-2009, 07:59 AM
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Nope. they have been pushed to one side. Does effect handling and alignment
Old 06-10-2009, 08:07 AM
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Did the VB&P bushings go in OK?
Old 06-10-2009, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ghoffman
Did the VB&P bushings go in OK?
So are you guys suggesting that I stay home this weekend?
Tracking the car on these bushings could be a bad thing - right?
Old 06-10-2009, 08:16 AM
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Excessive tire wear, shaky braking, etc. Will it be safe, well that is up to you.
Old 06-10-2009, 08:16 AM
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Mine look a lot worse than that, I would still run. Like they said, handling and alignment are not going to be up to parr but just keep an eye on them.

God I wish we were allowed good bushings in T1.

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Old 06-10-2009, 08:20 AM
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I was going to say I have seen many T1 cars worse than this! I just don't understand SCCA rule makers (no ranting this morning for me).
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Don't worry about it unitl your metal on metal Most T1 guys just periodically have their cars re-alligned to account for the movement. Once you get metal/metal replace the a-arm.
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I thought that was how they were supposed to look.
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Originally Posted by Cobra4B
Don't worry about it unitl your metal on metal
That's pretty much where I'm at now on the R/F lower. I don't want to do any damage to the arm or the cradle. I mean at what point do you say that they HAVE to be changed?

Old 06-10-2009, 01:24 PM
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Your're fine man... that metal isn't touching.
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Thanks guys.
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FYI I can see rubber still sticking out the other end. When the bushing is totall shot it'll be metal on metal. The real bushing to watch is the front lower control arm. That'll eventually fail first.

FWIW I ran 4-5 HPDEs a year for 4 years before I needed to replace my bushings.
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When I ran into this with my 97 I had metal to metal contact. The dealer found the problem when they couldn't get the alignment specs I wanted. Caster is the one that really goes bad. The most they could get is +2 degrees. Since they had to order parts they installed some large washers on the shaft between the control arm and cradle to keep the control arm from hitting the cradle. This got me through a weekend HPDE that I had paid for.

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You could just make a 1/8 thick delrin or UHMW polyethylene (fancy name but very easy to get and cheap) washer and stuff it in there as a thrust washer to prevent metal to metal contact. I even did that with my poly bushings.

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Old 06-10-2009, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ghoffman
You could just make a 1/8 thick delrin or UHMW polyethylene (fancy name but very easy to get and cheap) washer and stuff it in there as a thrust washer to prevent metal to metal contact. I even did that with my poly bushings.
Wouldn't I have to re-align the car after that? I have to be loaded on the trailer tomorrow.
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Yes, do it when you get home. Run it, just inspect it after each run, OK?
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You will probably notice the change in toe the most. I'd ask around at the track and see if someone has some toe plates you can borrow to re-set you toe. It's a 20 min job.


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