Brake upgrade???
09-08-2009, 09:37 PM
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Brake upgrade???
I want to upgrade my brakes due to the increase in power I recently added...
I have a 09 Z51 (procharger) 500rwhp...after returning from gingerman yesterday (first time after procharger installed) I noticed that I was going alot faster at end of the straights as compared to pre-procharger runs. Yes I know..brake earlier..but I was wondering what is a good upgrade (if possible) with stock wheels.
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I have a 09 Z51 (procharger) 500rwhp...after returning from gingerman yesterday (first time after procharger installed) I noticed that I was going alot faster at end of the straights as compared to pre-procharger runs. Yes I know..brake earlier..but I was wondering what is a good upgrade (if possible) with stock wheels.
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09-08-2009, 09:44 PM
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I want to upgrade my brakes due to the increase in power I recently added...
I have a 09 Z51 (procharger) 500rwhp...after returning from gingerman yesterday (first time after procharger installed) I noticed that I was going alot faster at end of the straights as compared to pre-procharger runs. Yes I know..brake earlier..but I was wondering what is a good upgrade (if possible) with stock wheels.
tx
trapp
I have a 09 Z51 (procharger) 500rwhp...after returning from gingerman yesterday (first time after procharger installed) I noticed that I was going alot faster at end of the straights as compared to pre-procharger runs. Yes I know..brake earlier..but I was wondering what is a good upgrade (if possible) with stock wheels.
tx
trapp
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09-08-2009, 11:04 PM
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09-09-2009, 09:57 AM
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If you going to spend that kind of $$$ talk to Gary @ Hardbar
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...tive-****.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...tive-****.html
These are the first set of AP's Radi-Cal calipers in the USA that are presently being used in the DTM (German Touring Car) Series. They weigh 6.4 pounds each, have 25mm thick pads and have an air bridge that goes over the top of the caliper and cools the outside face of the rotor and caliper. I will post more later when they are mounted on my car. The red caliper shown is the big (8 pounds) Brembo. A version of this was used by Tony Stewart to win at the Glen.
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09-11-2009, 12:31 AM
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If you going to spend that kind of $$$ talk to Gary @ Hardbar
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...tive-****.html
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09-11-2009, 12:36 AM
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To the OP...
Have you already done the basic brake mods??
Cooling ducts, track pads like Hawk, Carbotech or Cobalt, stainless lines and better fluid (ATE, Motul, Castrol)??
I've been with some very fast drivers using stock C6 brakes and with all of the mods listed above they had great "whoa" power
Trying to save you some mod money since the BBK route for non-Z06 C6's is more expensive since the stock wheels won't clear a bigger caliper - - that I know of
Have you already done the basic brake mods??
Cooling ducts, track pads like Hawk, Carbotech or Cobalt, stainless lines and better fluid (ATE, Motul, Castrol)??
I've been with some very fast drivers using stock C6 brakes and with all of the mods listed above they had great "whoa" power
Trying to save you some mod money since the BBK route for non-Z06 C6's is more expensive since the stock wheels won't clear a bigger caliper - - that I know of
09-11-2009, 01:15 AM
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If you going to spend that kind of $$$ talk to Gary @ Hardbar
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...tive-****.html
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That's serious money and not in the same league as Stoptech, Brembo, or "normal" AP. For many they're unobtanium due to cost.
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09-11-2009, 12:19 PM
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I'd be curious how the ZR1 brakes compare to the AP/DTM's. I'd think it would be cheaper to get the ZR1 brakes. I just don't think anyone knows at this point how long they will stand up to repeated track use.
Back to the OP. I think a lot depends on how many track days you plan on doing. If it is just a few now and then - going with track pads like Hawk, Carbotech or Cobalt, stainless lines and better fluid (as stated by Bahnzii above) - maybe different rotors might be the best route. Plus you would not have to buy new rims. If you plan on doing a fair amount of tracking and want the big brakes - you could put on either the brembos or stoptechs up front to start. Again, you have to buy new rims. This would be a more expensive route.
Back to the OP. I think a lot depends on how many track days you plan on doing. If it is just a few now and then - going with track pads like Hawk, Carbotech or Cobalt, stainless lines and better fluid (as stated by Bahnzii above) - maybe different rotors might be the best route. Plus you would not have to buy new rims. If you plan on doing a fair amount of tracking and want the big brakes - you could put on either the brembos or stoptechs up front to start. Again, you have to buy new rims. This would be a more expensive route.
09-11-2009, 12:26 PM
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the StopTech BBK are a far better investment then the ZR1 brakes. I have a few videos of a C6Z, with Stoptech brakes on Hoosiers chasing the ZR1 around Road America. The C6Z would catch the ZR1 in the brake zones all the time. Out of the corner, well the ZR1 had the advantage there somewhat.
When I drove the ZR1 at Road America, I though I was never going to stop the car going into T5 from about 150 mph.
My Stock C5 Calipers with Wilwood H or PFC-01 brake pad did a far better stopping then the ZR1 brakes.
or a set or AP Racing from DRM or Robert in Chicago. Think Gary can get some APRacing calipers other then the DTMs too
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09-11-2009, 01:10 PM
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09-11-2009, 02:22 PM
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They dont. Not even close. The carbon rotors and pads are for street use and occasional track use. forget late braking. Not hard track use.
the StopTech BBK are a far better investment then the ZR1 brakes. I have a few videos of a C6Z, with Stoptech brakes on Hoosiers chasing the ZR1 around Road America. The C6Z would catch the ZR1 in the brake zones all the time. Out of the corner, well the ZR1 had the advantage there somewhat.
When I drove the ZR1 at Road America, I though I was never going to stop the car going into T5 from about 150 mph.
My Stock C5 Calipers with Wilwood H or PFC-01 brake pad did a far better stopping then the ZR1 brakes.
or a set or AP Racing from DRM or Robert in Chicago. Think Gary can get some APRacing calipers other then the DTMs too
the StopTech BBK are a far better investment then the ZR1 brakes. I have a few videos of a C6Z, with Stoptech brakes on Hoosiers chasing the ZR1 around Road America. The C6Z would catch the ZR1 in the brake zones all the time. Out of the corner, well the ZR1 had the advantage there somewhat.
When I drove the ZR1 at Road America, I though I was never going to stop the car going into T5 from about 150 mph.
My Stock C5 Calipers with Wilwood H or PFC-01 brake pad did a far better stopping then the ZR1 brakes.
or a set or AP Racing from DRM or Robert in Chicago. Think Gary can get some APRacing calipers other then the DTMs too
09-11-2009, 04:35 PM
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I have Baer "6S Extreme" BBK on my street car and it is absolutely terrific for .....no squealing, extremely low dusting and great stopping power for my supercharged 708rwhp....but still not the tenacity of race pads on stock calipers with effective cooling mods.
09-11-2009, 04:42 PM
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They dont. Not even close. The carbon rotors and pads are for street use and occasional track use. forget late braking. Not hard track use.
the StopTech BBK are a far better investment then the ZR1 brakes. I have a few videos of a C6Z, with Stoptech brakes on Hoosiers chasing the ZR1 around Road America. The C6Z would catch the ZR1 in the brake zones all the time. Out of the corner, well the ZR1 had the advantage there somewhat.
When I drove the ZR1 at Road America, I though I was never going to stop the car going into T5 from about 150 mph.
My Stock C5 Calipers with Wilwood H or PFC-01 brake pad did a far better stopping then the ZR1 brakes.
or a set or AP Racing from DRM or Robert in Chicago. Think Gary can get some APRacing calipers other then the DTMs too
the StopTech BBK are a far better investment then the ZR1 brakes. I have a few videos of a C6Z, with Stoptech brakes on Hoosiers chasing the ZR1 around Road America. The C6Z would catch the ZR1 in the brake zones all the time. Out of the corner, well the ZR1 had the advantage there somewhat.
When I drove the ZR1 at Road America, I though I was never going to stop the car going into T5 from about 150 mph.
My Stock C5 Calipers with Wilwood H or PFC-01 brake pad did a far better stopping then the ZR1 brakes.
or a set or AP Racing from DRM or Robert in Chicago. Think Gary can get some APRacing calipers other then the DTMs too
The scuttlebutt at Carlise, when talking to some of the performance shops (i.e. LG) was indeed the same thing - not too good for track work. So, other than being "Carbon" (oooh, ahhh) what advantage do they offer?