Can a 63 master cylinder be changed without bleeding.
#21
I agree with Frankie - bleed at least the front wheel and all of them if you have not done this recently. I just did this on my '63. Had to rebuild the master cylinder. I do not see how you can get all of the air out of that junction between the master cylinder and the single line without bleeding - it is horizontal! And yes, I bench bled the master and had a reasonable pedal. However, when I bled the front wheel, I still saw a few small bubbles. Now, I know for sure there are none!
As for tbarb, since brake fluid absorbs moisture, if your brake line was open for over a year, I would definitely bleed the entire system to get all of the moisture out!
Regards,
Just learning it all the hard way Jon
As for tbarb, since brake fluid absorbs moisture, if your brake line was open for over a year, I would definitely bleed the entire system to get all of the moisture out!
Regards,
Just learning it all the hard way Jon
SILICONE FLUID, been in there for a long time. Brake pedal very hard, I have no doubt it's fine. The brake line is vertical not horizontal, keep in mind high point in system.
I did tape it with paper towel and rubber band.
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If some of these guys would wise up and use Dot 5, they wouldn't have to have those silly (expensive) speed bleeders and rebuilding their brake cylinders because of rust every few years.
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tbarb, Missed the part where you had silicone brake fluid. However, on both of my '63s, the brake line comes off of the front side of the master cylinder horizontally for about 2" before curving down vertically. This is the section where I do not see how ALL of the fluid will remain when it is disconnected.
MikeM, I HAD to rebuild my master cylinder on one of the cars because that is condition it was in when I purchased the car and I want to drive it for the summer. And I am not interested in going thru the gymnastics of getting every drop of Dot3 out of an existing system when I am planning on scrapping the entire drum brake system and going to 4 wheel discs in the near future. Are the drums fine for my driving style? Probably, but I am changing it because I want to.
Regards,
Still learning Jon
MikeM, I HAD to rebuild my master cylinder on one of the cars because that is condition it was in when I purchased the car and I want to drive it for the summer. And I am not interested in going thru the gymnastics of getting every drop of Dot3 out of an existing system when I am planning on scrapping the entire drum brake system and going to 4 wheel discs in the near future. Are the drums fine for my driving style? Probably, but I am changing it because I want to.
Regards,
Still learning Jon
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tbarb, Missed the part where you had silicone brake fluid. However, on both of my '63s, the brake line comes off of the front side of the master cylinder horizontally for about 2" before curving down vertically. This is the section where I do not see how ALL of the fluid will remain when it is disconnected.
MikeM, I HAD to rebuild my master cylinder on one of the cars because that is condition it was in when I purchased the car and I want to drive it for the summer. And I am not interested in going thru the gymnastics of getting every drop of Dot3 out of an existing system when I am planning on scrapping the entire drum brake system and going to 4 wheel discs in the near future. Are the drums fine for my driving style? Probably, but I am changing it because I want to.
Regards,
Still learning Jon
MikeM, I HAD to rebuild my master cylinder on one of the cars because that is condition it was in when I purchased the car and I want to drive it for the summer. And I am not interested in going thru the gymnastics of getting every drop of Dot3 out of an existing system when I am planning on scrapping the entire drum brake system and going to 4 wheel discs in the near future. Are the drums fine for my driving style? Probably, but I am changing it because I want to.
Regards,
Still learning Jon
This will probably start a firestorm here but I will say it anyway.
If you want to change your system to DOT 5 silicone fluid clean the M/C of all the dot3 then fill with silicone and bleed the complete system starting at the furthest wheel. Bleed until it runs purple with the silicone dot5 then move on to the next wheel. Keep checking the level in the M/C and when you finish all will be fine.
I did this on my 67 in 1990 or so and never had a problem. Oh, by the way, this procedure was recommended to me by someone that has done MANY this way and never had any issues.
On my 63 car the system lines were all new and I used the silicone dot5 from the start.
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I believe it's important to start with a system that is free of rust, corrosion and sludge but it it's in that condition, you need a complete re-do anyway.
I believe that little bit of air that might be trapped in the horizintal portion of the line likely bleeds out back up through the port in the MC. Don't know for sure as I don't have X-Ray vision.
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Maybe it worked for some of you but not for me. Someone forgot to give me the magical words you said to keep the fluid in while you connect the line to cylinder. But it was not a complete lost. At least I know the cylinder works and does not leak. Back to bleeding each wheel.
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I've bench bled 100's of master cylinders, single and dual, over the years and have installed them without bleeding the service brakes at the wheels. The trick is to let the master outlet ports flow a little during the install. No air enters the line if you just disconnect it and leave it be. No air will enter the brake lines, so bleeding at the wheels is not needed. On the odd occasion, you can end up with a soft pedal, which means air got in. This is usually due to inattention or inexperience. In that case, a push on the pedal while cracking the outlet line on the master will purge the small air bubble. If that fails, last resort is bleeding all four wheels. I can get by probably 95 times out of 100 without all that mess, though, simply by installing a PROPERLY bench- bled master.
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Jon,
This will probably start a firestorm here but I will say it anyway.
If you want to change your system to DOT 5 silicone fluid clean the M/C of all the dot3 then fill with silicone and bleed the complete system starting at the furthest wheel. Bleed until it runs purple with the silicone dot5 then move on to the next wheel. Keep checking the level in the M/C and when you finish all will be fine.
I did this on my 67 in 1990 or so and never had a problem. Oh, by the way, this procedure was recommended to me by someone that has done MANY this way and never had any issues.
On my 63 car the system lines were all new and I used the silicone dot5 from the start.
This will probably start a firestorm here but I will say it anyway.
If you want to change your system to DOT 5 silicone fluid clean the M/C of all the dot3 then fill with silicone and bleed the complete system starting at the furthest wheel. Bleed until it runs purple with the silicone dot5 then move on to the next wheel. Keep checking the level in the M/C and when you finish all will be fine.
I did this on my 67 in 1990 or so and never had a problem. Oh, by the way, this procedure was recommended to me by someone that has done MANY this way and never had any issues.
On my 63 car the system lines were all new and I used the silicone dot5 from the start.
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