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Old 01-15-2017, 10:54 AM
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It can't hurt to try dumping the oil again, and see what happens. Chip
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It can't hurt to try dumping the oil again, and see what happens. Chip
I respectfully have to disagree with this. Gear oil installed a couple of years ago will be fine for the next ten or twenty years. Unless there's debris or contamination in it, which is very doubtful in such a short time. Frank will be able to check the oil condition when he checks the mechanicals...my money is on another issue.
Old 01-15-2017, 11:50 AM
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It got GL4 when I replaced the side cover not that long ago... The car actually had a slight grind on second gear downshift when I got it but the fresh oil cleared it up..
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Originally Posted by GCD1962
If you adjust the stop bolt on the shifter correctly then holding on the shifter in 4th will not be a problem. The reason the stop is there is to prevent over travel
I don't believe the original Muncie shifters had the stop bolts, only the Hurst ones did.
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Originally Posted by plaidside
I don't believe the original Muncie shifters had the stop bolts, only the Hurst ones did.
Joe
correct, for 63 anyway.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
BTW - Nice to see you active on here and apparently mending nicely!!
Frankie,
I am on the mend and I was just allowed to start driving a couple of weeks ago. It was tough sitting in the back seat and letting my wife drive me around for over two months. I had to chew on the pillow that was between my chest and seat belt to avoid being a backseat driver!
I still can not lift anything over 10 pounds so it will be a while before I do a 4 speed or rear end for someone.
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I read that in your earlier post, that's why I was thinking a second flush may be all that's needed. Chip
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Originally Posted by plaidside
I don't believe the original Muncie shifters had the stop bolts, only the Hurst ones did.
Joe
OP stated it is a Hurst shifter. There is a stop bolt for the 1-3, and 2-4 positions
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Originally Posted by GCD1962
OP stated it is a Hurst shifter. There is a stop bolt for the 1-3, and 2-4 positions
I only posted about the 3 & 4 gear slide for general knowledge, I wasn't reffering to Frankie's problem.
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Originally Posted by 6D2148
It can't hurt to try dumping the oil again, and see what happens. Chip
slightly off topic, but on the subject of a transmission oil change...

I first filled my MY6 with GL4 and had a synchro clash; I drained it and replaced with ATF and problem went away.

I realize the a Muncie is probably not capable of handling ATF, but it does go to show that a lubricant change can help.

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Bought a car that was hard getting into 1st all the time----running, not running, clutch in, clutch out. Took the side cover off and the shift fork was only inserted into the first shift detent bar (pic below of bars for reference). This jammed the shift fork against the second detent bar. Luckily it didn't wipe out the fork or the groove in the gear slide. Popped the fork back under the second detent bar and all was good.


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Originally Posted by 426 Hemi
Bought a car that was hard getting into 1st all the time----running, not running, clutch in, clutch out. Took the side cover off and the shift fork was only inserted into the first shift detent bar (pic below of bars for reference). This jammed the shift fork against the second detent bar. Luckily it didn't wipe out the fork or the groove in the gear slide. Popped the fork back under the second detent bar and all was good.
We may have a winner - 1st engagement still a prob with shifter rod removed....side cover will have to come off...
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Originally Posted by 426 Hemi
Bought a car that was hard getting into 1st all the time----running, not running, clutch in, clutch out. Took the side cover off and the shift fork was only inserted into the first shift detent bar (pic below of bars for reference). This jammed the shift fork against the second detent bar. Luckily it didn't wipe out the fork or the groove in the gear slide. Popped the fork back under the second detent bar and all was good. [/IMG]
What caused the fork to move away from the detent cam?
The only way I can see that happening is the shift lever came loose allowing the fork to move inward.
I have never seen a side cover with needle bearings before. Is that a replacement cover?
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Originally Posted by plaidside
What caused the fork to move away from the detent cam?
The only way I can see that happening is the shift lever came loose allowing the fork to move inward.
I have never seen a side cover with needle bearings before. Is that a replacement cover?
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Only thing I can figure is it popped out when the guy before me assembled it.

Picture is off the net---not sure of the story.
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Originally Posted by 426 Hemi
Only thing I can figure is it popped out when the guy before me assembled it.

Picture is off the net---not sure of the story.
Its aftermarket. I run an earlier version with bronze bushings.

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Autogear sells the replacement with the roller bearings.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
We may have a winner - 1st engagement still a prob with shifter rod removed....side cover will have to come off...
So I'm assuming that with the engine off, you were having additional effort to get it into first (with the shifter) versus the other gears?

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Old 01-16-2017, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DansYellow66
So I'm assuming that with the engine off, you were having additional effort to get it into first (with the shifter) versus the other gears?
Yes Dan, that is the symptom...
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OK - you probably have something different going on than what is causing my stiff shifter action. But I'll be curious to see what you turn up.
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Would it be best to lock this thread down, get off the key board and out in the garage and see what is going on?

The three days spent here on guessing could have had the car repaired and back on the road.


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