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Old 08-13-2010, 03:34 PM   #1
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Hi All,

Thanks for the help on the replacement of all of the vacuum lines so that everything is working as original.
Everything on that panel is working but I am not getting heat.
When I had the dash apart the cable did move the flap at the heater core and I put my hand in and felt it.
I just had the engine running to 180 and all heater hoses are hot even the in and out from the heater core but when I move the bottom lever over to the heat side the cold air stops but I only am getting outside air temp coming through the lower duct or the defroster. It is not hot air. If I move it to blue or cold the a/c does come on. I can hear the flap working when I move the lower lever. There are no leaks from the heater core.
I know that I don't need heat now but I want it working correctly.

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Old 08-13-2010, 04:32 PM   #2
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Let me get this right.
You have hot coolant flowing through the heater core.
When moving the hot-cold lever the door does go to hot position.
But with your fan on NO hot air is coming out any of your ducts ?
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Old 08-13-2010, 05:24 PM   #3
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Try turning your [add-on] heater shut-off valve to ON. (just a thought)

The other possibility is that the heater core is totally plugged up so that no water is flowing through it. Feel the heater inlet pipes on the firewall to see if hot water is even getting to the core.
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Old 08-13-2010, 05:36 PM   #4
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On the 77 there is a vacuum valve mounted on top of the heater box. Did you check that valve for function? It supplys vac. to the heater control valve in the engine compartment, to open or close
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:33 PM   #5
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Let me get this right.
You have hot coolant flowing through the heater core.
When moving the hot-cold lever the door does go to hot position.
But with your fan on NO hot air is coming out any of your ducts ?
Correct. I am stumped too.

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Old 08-13-2010, 08:34 PM   #6
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On the 77 there is a vacuum valve mounted on top of the heater box. Did you check that valve for function? It supplys vac. to the heater control valve in the engine compartment, to open or close
Yes,

I have a new hose on that too and it was working before I put the dash back on.

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Old 08-13-2010, 08:35 PM   #7
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Try turning your [add-on] heater shut-off valve to ON. (just a thought)

The other possibility is that the heater core is totally plugged up so that no water is flowing through it. Feel the heater inlet pipes on the firewall to see if hot water is even getting to the core.
Both heater core hoses are getting hot, so anti-freeze is passing through

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Old 08-13-2010, 09:53 PM   #8
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Achem's Razor...whenever there is a cunundrum, the answer is usually the simplest explanation. You 'obviously' have a mouse nest built in the heater housing and the nest material is blocking the heat.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:03 PM   #9
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Achem's Razor...whenever there is a cunundrum, the answer is usually the simplest explanation. You 'obviously' have a mouse nest built in the heater housing and the nest material is blocking the heat.
But the defrost has the option of cold or hot air too. I can't get hot air out of that duct either.

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Old 08-14-2010, 12:54 AM   #10
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If I move it to blue or cold the a/c does come on. I can hear the flap working when I move the lower lever.
what is this flap your hearing when you move the temp selctor from hot-cold.

the only thing that is attached to the temp selector is a solid adjustable cable that goes to the heatercore vacuum switch on the top of the air box.

also are you getting any air moving at all can you hear your blower motor even running?

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Old 08-14-2010, 10:58 AM   #11
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I've got the dash out of my 77 right now working on the air flow and vacuum issues. looking it over I don't see how its possible for the air to not be coming out some where. with the diverter gates all in the neutral position the air will come out the floor vents (heat). The temp selector (bottom slider) will control the temp, hot or cold.

ellk,10 there is a diverter door attached to the temp selector cable but it also actuates the vacuum switch.

can you hear the blower running?

Just went back and read your first post, you are getting air flow just not hot air.

Can you get pics of were the heater hoses are connected for us to see?

Looking over the stuff I have apart on my car the air has to flow either over the heater core or around it with the operation of the temp door. With you verifying the operation of the temp door the air has to be flowing through the heater core.


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Old 08-14-2010, 12:45 PM   #12
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If I read your problem correctly, you stated that you are not getting "heat". You didn't indicate that you weren't getting any airflow. If no flow, your air inlet damper/door (under the right-side cowl) is probably not opening. That would prevent any fresh air from entering the system. Put your control to "Max A/C" and see if you get air from those ducts...that is 'recirulated' air from inside the cabin.
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:01 PM   #13
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what is this flap your hearing when you move the temp selctor from hot-cold.

the only thing that is attached to the temp selector is a solid adjustable cable that goes to the heatercore vacuum switch on the top of the air box.

also are you getting any air moving at all can you hear your blower motor even running?
Motor is blowing just fine on all speeds.
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:07 PM   #14
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If I read your problem correctly, you stated that you are not getting "heat". You didn't indicate that you weren't getting any airflow. If no flow, your air inlet damper/door (under the right-side cowl) is probably not opening. That would prevent any fresh air from entering the system. Put your control to "Max A/C" and see if you get air from those ducts...that is 'recirulated' air from inside the cabin.
I am getting airflow from every vent. When I turn on Defroster air comes out of the top and whatever speed I set it to. When I turn on A/C (Max or Reg) or Vent air comes out of all of the air ducts that it is supposed to.
When I move the bottom lever to red (or hot) I am not getting heat out of the defroster of lower ducts as I am supposed to. Yes, the door opens and closes when I move the lower lever. I had a brand new 74, 76 & 77 back in the day when I went into a dealer and ordered what I wanted so I know how these are supposed to work. I just need help repairing it.

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Old 08-14-2010, 04:18 PM   #15
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If I read your problem correctly, you stated that you are not getting "heat". You didn't indicate that you weren't getting any airflow. If no flow, your air inlet damper/door (under the right-side cowl) is probably not opening. That would prevent any fresh air from entering the system. Put your control to "Max A/C" and see if you get air from those ducts...that is 'recirulated' air from inside the cabin.
Hey man,

Thanks but I know how it is supposed to work and it works correctly, the air speed switch works on every stop too but when I move the lower slide to red or heat I should get hot air from the defroster, a/c vent, or lower duct when I move that lower lever and I am not.
Both in and out water hoses are both hot going to and from my heater core.
I also tested every vacuum door with a mighty vac hand held vacuum tool and every one opened and closed as they should a few times each.
I have done many cars in my time but this car is different.
Before I redid all vacuum hoses I had no air to defroster or center and now I have air coming out from what ever I move the switch to.
But no heat, I want it set up for the winter as it will be here before we know it.

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My 'last gasp' suggestion is to check the [stock] heater shut-off valve and see if it is permanently fixed on OFF. You can use your Mighty-Vac and hook it to the 'signal' line going to that valve. Then put vacuum on it, then open to 'vent' and see if it the heater operates with one of those conditions.
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Old 08-15-2010, 05:20 PM   #17
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My 'last gasp' suggestion is to check the [stock] heater shut-off valve and see if it is permanently fixed on OFF. You can use your Mighty-Vac and hook it to the 'signal' line going to that valve. Then put vacuum on it, then open to 'vent' and see if it the heater operates with one of those conditions.
Hi,

I checked all of the vacuum valves when the car was cold with the Mighty-vac and they all worked fine.
I even moved the lower lever and the heat door opened and closed.
I am really stumped.

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Old 08-15-2010, 05:25 PM   #18
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The diaphragm on the water shut-off valve may have held vacuum...but how do you know that the valve wasn't stuck in the OFF position. The diaphragm is rubber and would stretch with vacuum, even if the valve didn't move. Only way to know for sure [I think] is to check it for flow when opened [and no-flow when closed].
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The diaphragm on the water shut-off valve may have held vacuum...but how do you know that the valve wasn't stuck in the OFF position. The diaphragm is rubber and would stretch with vacuum, even if the valve didn't move. Only way to know for sure [I think] is to check it for flow when opened [and no-flow when closed].
The door moved back and forth and air was traveling through the big lower squarish hole when I had all 3 front vents off.

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Old 09-19-2010, 11:09 PM   #20
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what is this flap your hearing when you move the temp selctor from hot-cold.

the only thing that is attached to the temp selector is a solid adjustable cable that goes to the heatercore vacuum switch on the top of the air box.

also are you getting any air moving at all can you hear your blower motor even running?
Hi,

I took the passengers side and center dash out again.
I found the vacuum switch on top of the air box and it was leaking air constantly so I just bought another.
I did notice that when I moved the cable that it just touches the top of the spring button when cold and comes off when moved to hot.
Can you explain how that vacuum switch is supposed to work? Is the spring button supposed to expand or contract?
I also bought the vacuum switch that connects the heater hose that goes to the heater core just in case. This way all heater parts are new.

Thanks
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