Tach drive distributor options
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Tach drive distributor options
I currently have an Accel 37100A which was apparently a dual point, but has been switched to electronic. It still has separate coil.
I see there are inexpensive new HEI tach drive distributors available, but I am not sure what's involved in changing over. What are my best options as far as replacing my current distributor?
Engine is a mild performance 350.
I see there are inexpensive new HEI tach drive distributors available, but I am not sure what's involved in changing over. What are my best options as far as replacing my current distributor?
Engine is a mild performance 350.
#2
I currently have an Accel 37100A which was apparently a dual point, but has been switched to electronic. It still has separate coil.
I see there are inexpensive new HEI tach drive distributors available, but I am not sure what's involved in changing over. What are my best options as far as replacing my current distributor?
Engine is a mild performance 350.
I see there are inexpensive new HEI tach drive distributors available, but I am not sure what's involved in changing over. What are my best options as far as replacing my current distributor?
Engine is a mild performance 350.
http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...m_Advance.aspx
This one is good, does not need a box, but has the larger HEI cap:
http://performancedistributors.com/p...acuum-advance/
You CAN order it with/without vacuum advance.
I have worked on both. Both are good units.
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From my learning experience/failures........here is something that MUST be done to avoid early electric component failure.......
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED!
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed.
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED!
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed.
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
#4
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
From my learning experience/failures........here is something that MUST be done to avoid early electric component failure.......
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED! Tach works good now
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed. I cannot just plug in my current cable?
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED! Tach works good now
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed. I cannot just plug in my current cable?
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
Thank you doorgunner
Last edited by TMU; 09-01-2015 at 07:05 PM.
#5
Le Mans Master
What is your goal? Are you having problems with the Accel distributor or tach drive?
I'm running a MSD tach drive that has a pickup coil in it (no points) and the original K-66 GM TI amp and coil. I also have a Mallory CD ignition box mounted and wired, just not plugged in. Nothing like backup.
I'm running a MSD tach drive that has a pickup coil in it (no points) and the original K-66 GM TI amp and coil. I also have a Mallory CD ignition box mounted and wired, just not plugged in. Nothing like backup.
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What is your goal? Are you having problems with the Accel distributor or tach drive?
I'm running a MSD tach drive that has a pickup coil in it (no points) and the original K-66 GM TI amp and coil. I also have a Mallory CD ignition box mounted and wired, just not plugged in. Nothing like backup.
I'm running a MSD tach drive that has a pickup coil in it (no points) and the original K-66 GM TI amp and coil. I also have a Mallory CD ignition box mounted and wired, just not plugged in. Nothing like backup.
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#7
I upgraded to a Mallory SSI and had Redline convert my Tach to electronic. They use your original faceplate and needle so it looks stock and works great without the hassle of the cable and components for the tach drive. I also converted all the instrument panel lamps to LED during the process.
#8
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Had a pinging problem develop and have ruled out just about everything but the distributor. As its some kind of electronic retro fit frankenstein distributor I figured probably best to replace it. Just hoping for a reasonably simple solution
#9
Le Mans Master
Do a full check of your timing- initial advance, advance curve (when advance starts to come in) and what the total advance is. If the mechanical advance is stuck, you could be running full advance all the time. And that could get you a ping. Too much initial advance could too. Most of the electronic retrofit (points eliminator) systems are pretty good. Unless it's installed so it's advanced, but that would show with a check of the timing.
#10
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Do a full check of your timing- initial advance, advance curve (when advance starts to come in) and what the total advance is. If the mechanical advance is stuck, you could be running full advance all the time. And that could get you a ping. Too much initial advance could too. Most of the electronic retrofit (points eliminator) systems are pretty good. Unless it's installed so it's advanced, but that would show with a check of the timing.
These are ebay pics, but its the same model as mine and looks like mine
#12
No points
I could not see the hole in the side before because the coil was in the way. I am assuming the adjustment screw is for the advance? As the distributor was tight and the screw had not been moved why would it suddenly cause pinging and should I even try to adjust it?
These are ebay pics, but its the same model as mine and looks like mine
These are ebay pics, but its the same model as mine and looks like mine
http://prestoliteperformance.com/med...tor_37000A.pdf
#13
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
You said you have no points so the screw in the picture may not exist on your distributor. Accel has precalibrated that distributor for 24 degrees of advance plus setting your initial for 12 will give you the correct 36 degrees total. The link below explains how the timing is set in the distributor when new. On the other hand this was intended to be a race only distributor, it has no vacuum advance which is highly beneficial for a street driven vehicle.
http://prestoliteperformance.com/med...tor_37000A.pdf
http://prestoliteperformance.com/med...tor_37000A.pdf
#15
Points
I removed the top as described in the document and its a dual point. I feel like an idiot because I had not seen one with a cover over the points and assumed it was electronic. So now I am assuming whole pinging issue could be caused by dirty or bad points. Do I replace or try to clean? I'll need to get a dwell meter.
#16
Options
Here are all the popular electronic options for Corvettes using mechanical tachs, you'll need to do some homework to determine which will be the best fit depending on your specific needs:
HEI Distributor (Large Cap) with tach drive:
PROS - Easy all in one stand alone system, replaces entire existing
ignition, allows for connection of the mechanical tach cable, mid range
cost, most reliable.
CONS - Factory Chrome shield no longer fits, non-factory look, requires
new plug wires 8mm or larger with female style boot terminals for male
style cap.
Here is a good example:
ZIP Products HEI
Electronic Conversion kit for OEM distributor:
PROS - Retain factory look, low cost, replaces points without changing
other parts.
CONS - Worn metal moving parts inside distributor remain same.
Here is a good example:
Pertroix Electronic Conversion Kit
Performance Electronic Distributor (Small Cap):
PROS - Retain factory shield, best performance, allows for connection of
the mechanical tach cable.
CONS - Expensive, requires an external box and 12 volt coil, longer
install time, requires new plug wires 8mm or larger with female style
boot terminals for male style cap.
Here is a good example:
MSD Performance Distributor
Performance Electronic Distributor (Small Cap) with built in control module:
PROS - Retain factory shield, best performance, Easy install, allows for
connection of mechanical tach cable, low cost.
CONS - requires an external 12 volt coil, requires new plug wires 8mm or
larger with female style boot terminals for male style cap.
Here is a good example:
AIP Dragon Fire Performance Distributor
HEI Distributor (Large Cap) with tach drive:
PROS - Easy all in one stand alone system, replaces entire existing
ignition, allows for connection of the mechanical tach cable, mid range
cost, most reliable.
CONS - Factory Chrome shield no longer fits, non-factory look, requires
new plug wires 8mm or larger with female style boot terminals for male
style cap.
Here is a good example:
ZIP Products HEI
Electronic Conversion kit for OEM distributor:
PROS - Retain factory look, low cost, replaces points without changing
other parts.
CONS - Worn metal moving parts inside distributor remain same.
Here is a good example:
Pertroix Electronic Conversion Kit
Performance Electronic Distributor (Small Cap):
PROS - Retain factory shield, best performance, allows for connection of
the mechanical tach cable.
CONS - Expensive, requires an external box and 12 volt coil, longer
install time, requires new plug wires 8mm or larger with female style
boot terminals for male style cap.
Here is a good example:
MSD Performance Distributor
Performance Electronic Distributor (Small Cap) with built in control module:
PROS - Retain factory shield, best performance, Easy install, allows for
connection of mechanical tach cable, low cost.
CONS - requires an external 12 volt coil, requires new plug wires 8mm or
larger with female style boot terminals for male style cap.
Here is a good example:
AIP Dragon Fire Performance Distributor
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All? Nope. Not all.
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#19
Instructor
From my learning experience/failures........here is something that MUST be done to avoid early electric component failure.......
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED!
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed.
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
First......make sure your cable-driven tachometer works properly before you invest in a new distributor.....you can connect a good tach cable to the tach.....then drive the other end of the inner cable with an electric drill set to LOW SPEED!
Buy a "decent/dependable" aftermarket distributor (FYI: internal parts alone cost $125+.....add the cost of a tach driven housing.....you are looking at $200 for a tach-drive distributor (maybe less if you buy a "NEW ITEM" meaning a manufacturer is offering a "first-run" off the production line to get sales started)
The firewall ignition wire from INSIDE the firewall engine harness connector all the way to the coil/distributor MUST be removed and replaced with a 10 or 12 ga. copper strand wire unless the wiring harness already has a copper-strand ignition wire (the original ignition wire in older cars is a special RESISTOR steel stranded wire that will not supply the correct voltage/amps to the upgraded distributor).
A new tach cable is needed.
Allow an hour or two to make the change-over.....especially if the ignition wire at the firewall has to be replaced.
Other members will post replies if I forgot anything.
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