Highlights of riding with Andy from A&A...
05-26-2005, 02:37 AM
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Highlights of riding with Andy from A&A...
Dropped my car off at Andy's about a week ago to pull my vortech supercharged 346, install a 427 C5R, and do some other miscellaneous things (of course 
). I guess you could say I'm the reason he now has a 440ci in his C6 (poor Andy 
).
For me, the 427 has always been my favorite engine. I've always enjoyed the performance and nostalgia so when he made me a deal on a C5R, I couldn't pass it up. To be honest I truly wasn't sure whether I wanted to go NA or FI on the new engine, so Andy took me on a few closed course rides (
) to help me make my decision...
The first ride was in his 440 NA C6. For me, the highlight of this car was the amount of torque it produced. This thing has more torque than anything I have ever driven or been driven in. Andy could literally throw me back into his seats at the touch of his throttle. We're talking violent whiplash here. An awesome ride, very fast with strong power that kept pulling throughout the RPM spectrum.
The second ride was in a 408 NA C5. This car seemed like the ideal daily driver. It felt as if it had more power on the bottom end than my 346 FI and about the same amount of power up top. This car felt as if it had solid power throughout the RPM spectrum without anything extreme. Another awesome ride.
The third ride was in a 427 with a F1R. This was what I was contemplating with my new engine, either an F1R or a high torque NA build. In a word, the F1R 427 was "ridiculous" (I mean that as in,
). Understanding that this car was tubbed and had 335's the traction was almost nonexistent. The best analogy I can give is to say, imagine driving with slicks on ice...you touch the throttle and the tires spin, regardless of what gear or what speed. 
. It would have been nice to see what this car can do on a truly open road. I think I just shook my head the entire ride 
.
But given Andy's assistance, my decision was to go with a high torque NA 427. I'm kind of surprised I went this route, I've always been a high HP guy but after riding in Andy's 440, I think I fell in love with torque. It should be ready for pick-up any day
and I'm eager to compare my new car to Andy's 440. 
. Thought everyone would enjoy a few brief "ride along" stories...
). I guess you could say I'm the reason he now has a 440ci in his C6 (poor Andy ).For me, the 427 has always been my favorite engine. I've always enjoyed the performance and nostalgia so when he made me a deal on a C5R, I couldn't pass it up. To be honest I truly wasn't sure whether I wanted to go NA or FI on the new engine, so Andy took me on a few closed course rides (
) to help me make my decision...The first ride was in his 440 NA C6. For me, the highlight of this car was the amount of torque it produced. This thing has more torque than anything I have ever driven or been driven in. Andy could literally throw me back into his seats at the touch of his throttle. We're talking violent whiplash here. An awesome ride, very fast with strong power that kept pulling throughout the RPM spectrum.
The second ride was in a 408 NA C5. This car seemed like the ideal daily driver. It felt as if it had more power on the bottom end than my 346 FI and about the same amount of power up top. This car felt as if it had solid power throughout the RPM spectrum without anything extreme. Another awesome ride.
The third ride was in a 427 with a F1R. This was what I was contemplating with my new engine, either an F1R or a high torque NA build. In a word, the F1R 427 was "ridiculous" (I mean that as in,
). Understanding that this car was tubbed and had 335's the traction was almost nonexistent. The best analogy I can give is to say, imagine driving with slicks on ice...you touch the throttle and the tires spin, regardless of what gear or what speed. . It would have been nice to see what this car can do on a truly open road. I think I just shook my head the entire ride .But given Andy's assistance, my decision was to go with a high torque NA 427. I'm kind of surprised I went this route, I've always been a high HP guy but after riding in Andy's 440, I think I fell in love with torque. It should be ready for pick-up any day
and I'm eager to compare my new car to Andy's 440. . Thought everyone would enjoy a few brief "ride along" stories...
05-26-2005, 02:55 AM
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What was our rear wheel horsepower/torque with the vortech set up? Given the limited traction with street tires do you think "on the street" that your supercharged set up would be faster than the 427 since the power is higher in the rpms? Nice write up. 
05-26-2005, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by vettethret
What was our rear wheel horsepower/torque with the vortech set up? Given the limited traction with street tires do you think "on the street" that your supercharged set up would be faster than the 427 since the power is higher in the rpms? Nice write up.
.It's interesting, I spent the better part of the day riding and talking with Andy to make sure I got the set-up I wanted. One of his first questions was, "do you want a huge dyno chart? or do you want the car to 'feel' fast?" I had to break my large dyno = high hp = faster car mentality in order to understand the torque / hp trade-off. It's safe to say Andy gave me an education along with a few thrills!!
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05-26-2005, 09:32 AM
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I traded my 346 with 550/495 for a stroker as well and prefer the more predictable power and the torque is amazing even though comparing my 2 dyno charts they were very close all the way through the range, so my power curve was very close but I don't have any additional things to deal with that come with FI like hoses, IC's, blower pumps, belts etc. The old saying that if you can get the power you want NA take it really applies--
05-26-2005, 10:34 AM
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Just remember there's "no free lunch". 
N/A has it's problems but there's been a bunch more R&D done on it then any other type of setups.
And not all stroker motors have massave oil consumption problems.
Blower engines have belt and piping issues, pretty much sorted out now.
TT cars are cool but they have their own set of issues, heat is a major factor and so is engine and turbo life due to oil cokeing.
Not to mention tuning issues, and major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
So it all depends on how you pick your poison!
N/A has it's problems but there's been a bunch more R&D done on it then any other type of setups.
And not all stroker motors have massave oil consumption problems.
Blower engines have belt and piping issues, pretty much sorted out now.
TT cars are cool but they have their own set of issues, heat is a major factor and so is engine and turbo life due to oil cokeing.
Not to mention tuning issues, and major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
So it all depends on how you pick your poison!
05-26-2005, 12:44 PM
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Congratulations on the new set up, Andy will take care of you........as long as he is not in TEXAS investing California $$$$$$$$..............
05-26-2005, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Corvette4ever
427 yeah baby Good luck
Why are you converting from a blown 346 to a 427? was there anything wrong with the old setup?
yeah baby Good luckWhy are you converting from a blown 346 to a 427? was there anything wrong with the old setup?
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05-26-2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mdhmi
Very sweet. How aggressive do you plan on making your NA 427?
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05-26-2005, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NEPTUNEBILL
I traded my 346 with 550/495 for a stroker as well and prefer the more predictable power and the torque is amazing even though comparing my 2 dyno charts they were very close all the way through the range, so my power curve was very close but I don't have any additional things to deal with that come with FI like hoses, IC's, blower pumps, belts etc. The old saying that if you can get the power you want NA take it really applies--
05-26-2005, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by XCELER8
You said the Tq was great in the 440ci. Well, how did the 427F1R compare TQ wise.
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05-26-2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by corvettebob1
Just remember there's "no free lunch".
N/A has it's problems but there's been a bunch more R&D done on it then any other type of setups.
And not all stroker motors have massave oil consumption problems.
Blower engines have belt and piping issues, pretty much sorted out now.
TT cars are cool but they have their own set of issues, heat is a major factor and so is engine and turbo life due to oil cokeing.
Not to mention tuning issues, and major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
So it all depends on how you pick your poison!
N/A has it's problems but there's been a bunch more R&D done on it then any other type of setups.
And not all stroker motors have massave oil consumption problems.
Blower engines have belt and piping issues, pretty much sorted out now.
TT cars are cool but they have their own set of issues, heat is a major factor and so is engine and turbo life due to oil cokeing.
Not to mention tuning issues, and major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
So it all depends on how you pick your poison!
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Originally Posted by mikes99corvette
Congratulations on the new set up, Andy will take care of you........as long as he is not in TEXAS investing California $$$$$$$$..............
