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Old 09-04-2009, 09:20 PM
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Why the bad rep for Champion Spark Plugs. I bought set of 9405 Iridium and people start telling they wouldn't use Champion in their lawn mowers. What gives?

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I wouldn't use chumpimums in YOUR lawn mower. There are better QUALITY plugs out there. Delco Iridiums, NGK Iridiums, Years ago,Champions were BOTTOM of the barrel. They had some dependability issues. I think those issues have been addressed. I still refuse to use them. It took them a LONG time to admit to the issue.

Basically,,,if you have a STOCK (pretty near stock) C5/C6,,,any rare metal plug is VERY good. The rare metal just makes them last longer and maintain emissions standards for the full OEM warranty period. No performance advantage is seen from rare metal vrs standard plugs.

If you have a significantly modified N/A C5/C6, a good quality copper plug is recommended (it will not last as long as a rare metal plug)

So,,,,,,,,,,,there you have a good base for your selection.

As long as you getting an opinion on good bad... An EXCELLENT plug wire is the stock GM "RED" performance plug wire. The QUALITY of the wire is excellent. The performance of plug wires is NOT a factor. DO NOT purchase plug wires for performance HYPE! The GM secondary ignition system is excellent and OEM Stock plug wire will support in excess of 700 HP without issue.

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Wow, I learned something today.....champion still makes spark plugs. Does Pioneer still make a Supertuner?
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Wow, I learned something today.....champion still makes spark plugs. Does Pioneer still make a Supertuner?
Yeah I think it's the Super tuner XXVIII
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
I wouldn't use chumpimums in YOUR lawn mower. There are better QUALITY plugs out there. Delco Iridiums, NGK Iridiums, Years ago,Champions were BOTTOM of the barrel. They had some dependability issues. I think those issues have been addressed. I still refuse to use them. It took them a LONG time to admit to the issue.

Basically,,,if you have a STOCK (pretty near stock) C5/C6,,,any rare metal plug is VERY good. The rare metal just makes them last longer and maintain emissions standards for the full OEM warranty period. No performance advantage is seen from rare metal vrs standard plugs.

If you have a significantly modified N/A C5/C6, a good quality copper plug is recommended (it will not last as long as a rare metal plug)

So,,,,,,,,,,,there you have a good base for your selection.

As long as you getting an opinion on good bad... An EXCELLENT plug wire is the stock GM "RED" performance plug wire. The QUALITY of the wire is excellent. The performance of plug wires is NOT a factor. DO NOT purchase plug wires for performance HYPE! The GM secondary ignition system is excellent and OEM Stock plug wire will support in excess of 700 HP without issue.
Well you can't get any better advice than that. Thanks Bill. I have the GM Red performance wires. TR55 plugs are in the car now just not sure of the age. I'm going to do some data-logging tomorrow to see if there is any knock.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by SargeZ06
Why the bad rep for Champion Spark Plugs. I bought set of 9405 Iridium and people start telling they wouldn't use Champion in their lawn mowers. What gives?

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If you're happy with them, then don't worry what others say. Just to try something other than Delco or NGKs (which for some reason everyone seems to worship), I came across a good deal on some Autolite XP Fine Wires and have been running them for at least 6 months or so. I've had no problems with them at all.
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Originally Posted by SargeZ06
Why the bad rep for Champion Spark Plugs. I bought set of 9405 Iridium and people start telling they wouldn't use Champion in their lawn mowers. What gives?

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Sounds like those are the same people that won't use Pennzoil in their lawn mower. Probably the same logic.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
Years ago,Champions were BOTTOM of the barrel. They had some dependability issues.
And years, before that Champion plugs were some of the best. 20 years or more ago Bose made one of the best home speakers on the market (the Bose 901), but today their stuff is far from "top of the line" like it used to be. Plextor CD drives for computers 15 years ago were the best and most expensive. Today they are junk. And just look at GM.

It just goes to show you just because a company's product was great or poor years ago doesn't hold much weight today. If you don't know its best to ask, most of the guys on this forum know what they are talking about.
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Autolite is another good spark plug.
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I will not install champion plugs in anything I own or anybody else owns!

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