Update on 08/09 Manual Tranny Grind in 2nd/3rd Shifts
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Well I had it and have had it with GM. I just won arbitration with GM and my Z will be going back via Lemon Law for GM's failure to fix the transmission grind.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
When you bring your cars in make sure you keep all of the documentation and any phone calls, letters etc. It helps if you have to go the arbitration route.
I feel for everyone with a grinding transmission, it is a pain. I haven't driven mine in about two months other than to wash it and the grinding is annoying to say the least. My second gear at times feels like it wants to jump back to first, third and fourth are just about as ugly.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
When you bring your cars in make sure you keep all of the documentation and any phone calls, letters etc. It helps if you have to go the arbitration route.
I feel for everyone with a grinding transmission, it is a pain. I haven't driven mine in about two months other than to wash it and the grinding is annoying to say the least. My second gear at times feels like it wants to jump back to first, third and fourth are just about as ugly.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
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Well hopefully we aren't all screwed, but I agree there should definitely be a service bulletin about this. I'm sure if I took it into the dealer and explained that lots of owners are experiencing this with the 08/09 (new) transmission, they would look at me like I was crazy and tell me to spend less time on the internet.
I agree it is unacceptable for a 50 - 60K sport scar to have a temperamental shifter. I'm glad I was one of the "lucky" ones and it's worked itself out. But for all the rest out there ... I feel your pain believe me!!
I agree it is unacceptable for a 50 - 60K sport scar to have a temperamental shifter. I'm glad I was one of the "lucky" ones and it's worked itself out. But for all the rest out there ... I feel your pain believe me!!
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I figured out my 08 with 10,000 miles on it when it started to get cold last fall no longer had the issue. I'm sure it corrected itself prior to 10,000 miles but I did not notice it till fall. I do change the clutch fluid very few 1000 miles for what is is worth.
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I did the clutch fluid change, it was clear when I started and clear when I finished. No change in how the transmission acted.
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Well I had it and have had it with GM. I just won arbitration with GM and my Z will be going back via Lemon Law for GM's failure to fix the transmission grind.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
The fact that the transmission works perfectly when warmed up tells that its not a catastrophic defect. Mine took about 4K miles to "loosen" up and does not exhibit any more grinding when cold.
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Well I had it and have had it with GM. I just won arbitration with GM and my Z will be going back via Lemon Law for GM's failure to fix the transmission grind.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
When you bring your cars in make sure you keep all of the documentation and any phone calls, letters etc. It helps if you have to go the arbitration route.
I feel for everyone with a grinding transmission, it is a pain. I haven't driven mine in about two months other than to wash it and the grinding is annoying to say the least. My second gear at times feels like it wants to jump back to first, third and fourth are just about as ugly.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
There is no reason for us to have to put up with a crappy transmission on such expensive cars. I hope to be out of this car in the next week.
When you bring your cars in make sure you keep all of the documentation and any phone calls, letters etc. It helps if you have to go the arbitration route.
I feel for everyone with a grinding transmission, it is a pain. I haven't driven mine in about two months other than to wash it and the grinding is annoying to say the least. My second gear at times feels like it wants to jump back to first, third and fourth are just about as ugly.
Good luck with the wonderful T6060 transmissions.
Sorry to hear you had such a bad time with the grind that it has ruined your Corvette (and Z06, no less) experience. I agree it is total BS for Chevy to say it's "normal."
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read here:
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...008tr6060.html
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Hmm, maybe im crazy, just throwin this out here, but could it be a little bur left on the gears from the machining process? This would explain it just "Going away" after getting some miles on it. Maybe just a little imperfection in there that gets worn down???
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It makes lots of sense... It's a much better unit...
read here:
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...008tr6060.html
read here:
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...008tr6060.html
"2008 Model Year Summary
Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual car transmission
* Wider gears increase torque-handling capability
* Stronger one-piece countershaft now standard on all versions
* Housing strengthened to minimize flex and improve shifting
* New synchronizer system reduces shift efforts
* Integrated pump into front adaptor
* Double-cone reverse gear synchronizer added for easier reverse selection"
Perhaps it's the new synchronizer and those reduced-shift efforts
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I'm glad your problem went away. I would still suggest changing the transmission fluid for 'good measure.' I never had any problems with my 2005 gearbox but I did switch to Royal Purple Synchromax. No matter which fluid you use, I think using fresh, clean transmission fluid could only help.
I sympathize with your problem and with all due respect, "...not using 2nd gear anymore" isn't a solution. Avoiding the problem seems wrong to me...you paid for a functional transmission and for warranty coverage in the event of a problem. On a personal note, I couldn't imagine driving around not using gears in 'proper' sequence. If the problem is that bad I strongly suggest you take your car to the dealership and fix it.
I have the same problem. I have 8,600 miles on my '08. So what is it? Can it go away by itself? After reading many threads I was preparing to change my tranny fluid with Mobil1 (since it is GM approved). But now this is new to me. I do not use 2nd gear anymore. If I do, I double clutch shift into second.
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Also torque specs might be off which would correct itself over time with heat cycles and some wear.. Over the years I've had gear boxes that required warm up time before they shifted smoothly.. this one is no exception. These are large HD trannies that handle huge amounts of torque.. I don't expect it to have the same finesse as one in a Honda civic that is desgined to handle 80 ft lbs of torque..
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Also torque specs might be off which would correct itself over time with heat cycles and some wear.. Over the years I've had gear boxes that required warm up time before they shifted smoothly.. this one is no exception. These are large HD trannies that handle huge amounts of torque.. I don't expect it to have the same finesse as one in a Honda civic that is desgined to handle 80 ft lbs of torque..
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#35
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I should count myself extremely lucky. My 08 never had this problem. I'll continue to pray to the Corvette Gods that my car (other than the one weird problem with the blower motor which has never reoccurred) has been problem free.
If you guys haven't swapped out shifters, do so. The engagement is so much more positive in the MGW.
If you guys haven't swapped out shifters, do so. The engagement is so much more positive in the MGW.
#36
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I have a 09 Z06 - so far, I have not had any issues with shifting.......cold or warm. Of course, I do warm up the engine for a couple of minutes and take it easy until warmed up, but I for one am very happy with the transmission and shifting - this is my 2nd C6 MN6 and both were good - I agree with the advice to take it easy until warm, etc. Makes you wonder on the actual tech's who put these transmissions together if there wasn't 1 or 2 unhappy employees!
Good luck, Ron
Good luck, Ron
#37
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Got the problem here too with 8617 miles on my '08. As mentioned in other posts, it can take more than 20+ minutes to completely go away at times. I have sometimes had the notchiness when the tranny is up to temperature as well. Mine has never made an audible grind, but I do not like the feedback in the stick at all (rough feeling at the engagement point). When the problem goes away, the trans feels GREAT! As a side note, I have changed my clutch fluid several times since the car was new and typically do it every 2000-3000 miles (Prestone synthetic DOT-4).
I sympathize with your problem and with all due respect, "...not using 2nd gear anymore" isn't a solution. Avoiding the problem seems wrong to me...you paid for a functional transmission and for warranty coverage in the event of a problem. On a personal note, I couldn't imagine driving around not using gears in 'proper' sequence. If the problem is that bad I strongly suggest you take your car to the dealership and fix it.
Last edited by bimmerborn; 03-16-2009 at 02:26 PM.
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that was me... Dealer tried to rebuild it first (despite my objections). They made it worse. About 45 days later, I finally got my car back with a brand new transmission. This one seems to be working well so far..
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Thanks. That's an interesting list.
"2008 Model Year Summary
Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual car transmission
* Wider gears increase torque-handling capability
* Stronger one-piece countershaft now standard on all versions
* Housing strengthened to minimize flex and improve shifting
* New synchronizer system reduces shift efforts
* Integrated pump into front adaptor
* Double-cone reverse gear synchronizer added for easier reverse selection"
Perhaps it's the new synchronizer and those reduced-shift efforts
"2008 Model Year Summary
Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual car transmission
* Wider gears increase torque-handling capability
* Stronger one-piece countershaft now standard on all versions
* Housing strengthened to minimize flex and improve shifting
* New synchronizer system reduces shift efforts
* Integrated pump into front adaptor
* Double-cone reverse gear synchronizer added for easier reverse selection"
Perhaps it's the new synchronizer and those reduced-shift efforts