too much motor oil
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
too much motor oil
Just had my '07 C-6 into the dealer for my first powertrain warranty repair. Oil leak at front of pan gasket. I was nervous leaving it with the dealer, but they were very professional, quick and appear to have done a good job. However, I noticed that on the itemized list of what they did, they listed seven quarts of oil. My owners manual specifies six quarts. I checked the dipstick and sure enough, it looks like it's a quart over the full line. Is that a problem? I've been told that when the crankcase is overfilled, the cranks splashes the oil into foam, which causes the oil pump to cavitate, resulting in insufficient oil pressure. I'm thinkin' it's going to more of a hassel to go back, than it will be to just deal with it myself. Is there an easier (and less messy) way to get a quart of oil out, other than getting under there with a drain pan and trying to pull the plug momentarily and then cram it back in while oil is pouring out?
#2
Team Owner
Try to use one of those drain pans that are marked with various levels (1 quart, 2 quart etc.) so you drain close to exactly 1 quart and only have to pull that plug/make that mess once. Oh and maybe wear some rubber gloves to protect your hands from the oil.
#3
Drifting
Just had my '07 C-6 into the dealer for my first powertrain warranty repair. Oil leak at front of pan gasket. I was nervous leaving it with the dealer, but they were very professional, quick and appear to have done a good job. However, I noticed that on the itemized list of what they did, they listed seven quarts of oil. My owners manual specifies six quarts. I checked the dipstick and sure enough, it looks like it's a quart over the full line. Is that a problem? I've been told that when the crankcase is overfilled, the cranks splashes the oil into foam, which causes the oil pump to cavitate, resulting in insufficient oil pressure. I'm thinkin' it's going to more of a hassel to go back, than it will be to just deal with it myself. Is there an easier (and less messy) way to get a quart of oil out, other than getting under there with a drain pan and trying to pull the plug momentarily and then cram it back in while oil is pouring out?
#4
Le Mans Master
Take it back to the idiots that over filled it. That way it is documented that they did it, in case you have a problem down the road. And make sure it gets documented
Last edited by speedraider; 04-26-2012 at 07:53 AM.
#5
their mistake I would NEVER take any oil out and then use it to "top off" ... they should simply drain the oil and then re-fill with 6 qtrs of NEW oil
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I don't think you need to do a thing. If you read your owner's manual it states that you should add an extra quart of oil if you are going to run the car on a road course. That has been true for all wet sump LS engines since the 97 came out. I ran LS engines in Corvettes from 97 through 09 and every time I added the extra quart to go to the track and despite the Owner's Mamual recommendation to remove the extra quart after the event I left it in there. Drove both of the cars for six years each with 1 quart over for most of the time with no issues. Oil pressure was always good, oil did not get frothy, no increased oil consumption.
You can't do this on the dry sump engines since they don't have enough room for the extra quart. The extra quart was added to the wet sump engines to help prevent bearing starvation in high g long left hand turns but only worked minimally. The dry sump was the solution to that issue once they increased the oil capacity to 10.5 quarts.
Bill
You can't do this on the dry sump engines since they don't have enough room for the extra quart. The extra quart was added to the wet sump engines to help prevent bearing starvation in high g long left hand turns but only worked minimally. The dry sump was the solution to that issue once they increased the oil capacity to 10.5 quarts.
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I don't think you need to do a thing. If you read your owner's manual it states that you should add an extra quart of oil if you are going to run the car on a road course. That has been true for all wet sump LS engines since the 97 came out. I ran LS engines in Corvettes from 97 through 09 and every time I added the extra quart to go to the track and despite the Owner's Mamual recommendation to remove the extra quart after the event I left it in there. Drove both of the cars for six years each with 1 quart over for most of the time with no issues. Oil pressure was always good, oil did not get frothy, no increased oil consumption.
You can't do this on the dry sump engines since they don't have enough room for the extra quart. The extra quart was added to the wet sump engines to help prevent bearing starvation in high g long left hand turns but only worked minimally. The dry sump was the solution to that issue once they increased the oil capacity to 10.5 quarts.
Bill
You can't do this on the dry sump engines since they don't have enough room for the extra quart. The extra quart was added to the wet sump engines to help prevent bearing starvation in high g long left hand turns but only worked minimally. The dry sump was the solution to that issue once they increased the oil capacity to 10.5 quarts.
Bill
I did the very same thing with my '08. Just added the extra quart prior to the track day event and left it in there. If you are still really concerned about it, you could just change the oil filter, it will remove about half a quart. If you think about it, when oil is hot (or any liquid for that matter) it expands and will show more on the dipstick. When on a road course and driving closer to the cars potential, the oil gets hotter than normal driving, so even with an added extra quart and hotter than normal oil it still isn't a problem.
Lastly, I have a vacuum pump for removing oil through a dipstick. This method is often used on diesel engines and more specifically on boats where getting to the drain plug can be a bit of a problem, not to mention dealing with catching the oil draining out of the engine. I tried to use this method on the Corvette and found what must be a baffle in the oil pan that prevents the suction tube from reaching the bottom of the oil pan, so that method of oil extraction is not possible. In fact, with a one quart overfilled crankcase, I could not reach any oil.
#8
A fluid extractor can easily remove it thru the dipstick hole (when hot), if you have one. Bought mine at Griot's Garage, which came with 3 sizes of tubes, plus the brake bleeder kit. My last 3 cars were overfilled with engine oil, including my new '12 GS. They all were back to full in a few minutes, plus I also use it to suck brake/clutch reservoirs dry, and many other uses. Greatly recommended. If you don't have one, I'd follow Bill's advice, rather that go back to that dealer. Next time just DIY man .
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#9
Le Mans Master
A fluid extractor can easily remove it thru the dipstick hole (when hot), if you have one. Bought mine at Griot's Garage, which came with 3 sizes of tubes, plus the brake bleeder kit. My last 3 cars were overfilled with engine oil, including my new '12 GS. They all were back to full in a few minutes, plus I also use it to suck brake/clutch reservoirs dry, and many other uses. Greatly recommended. If you don't have one, I'd follow Bill's advice, rather that go back to that dealer. Next time just DIY man .
#10
Burning Brakes
Don't worry about that extra oil.
If you are really worried about it, don't drain the oil, just change the oil filter (over an oil drain pan). Doing this will lower the oil level enough to make you feel better.
If you are really worried about it, don't drain the oil, just change the oil filter (over an oil drain pan). Doing this will lower the oil level enough to make you feel better.
#12
I've drained excess oil out from the oil pan from the drain plug several times (don't ask me why). It is not that hard or messy. Do like the previous poster said and do it with the oil cold/warm and not hot. All you do is place your drain pan under the drain plug. Loosen the plug with a wrench and then unscrew it with your hand until you get near the end of the threads. At that point, just hold the drain plug in place and gently tilt the plug up as it clears the last thread and you can easily control the flow of oil into the drain pan. Keep your hand and arm out of the way of the stream of oil as you hold the plug while draining the oil. Drain what you want out and then just put the plug back in place and screw it in and tighten to specs. If you drained too much out, then just pour some new oil in and fill to full.
#13
Racer
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OK fellas (& fella-ettes)...I got it handled. The dealer is 30 miles away so I figured it's easier to do-it-myself than drive 60 miles round trip & wait around, plus I'd rather not have a lot of people in and around the car. In the dealer's defense, and except for adding too much oil, I think they did a pretty good job. Thanks Greg, for the phone call and putting me more at ease with this particular dealership!
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. Then I placed a couple of jack stands under the crossmember for safety. I crawled under with my wrenches, a drop-light, a clear, liter sized pop bottle, a funnel and a whole bunch of rags. Then I loosened the plug till the threads disengaged, but only pulled it out far enough to allow a strong tricke of oil to escape. When the bottle was just under half full I replaced the plug & torqued to 18 ft lb. I removed my tools & jack stands and lowered the car, alternating left to right, a few inches at a time. Rechecked the oil level when the car was level... and it was a done deal! Worked like a champ...the oil flow was very controlable and I didn't spill a drop. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
Thanks for all the great suggestions....I'm not a professional mechanic, so all the tips & moral support was/is greatly appreciated!
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. Then I placed a couple of jack stands under the crossmember for safety. I crawled under with my wrenches, a drop-light, a clear, liter sized pop bottle, a funnel and a whole bunch of rags. Then I loosened the plug till the threads disengaged, but only pulled it out far enough to allow a strong tricke of oil to escape. When the bottle was just under half full I replaced the plug & torqued to 18 ft lb. I removed my tools & jack stands and lowered the car, alternating left to right, a few inches at a time. Rechecked the oil level when the car was level... and it was a done deal! Worked like a champ...the oil flow was very controlable and I didn't spill a drop. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
Thanks for all the great suggestions....I'm not a professional mechanic, so all the tips & moral support was/is greatly appreciated!
#15
OK fellas (& fella-ettes)...I got it handled. The dealer is 30 miles away so I figured it's easier to do-it-myself than drive 60 miles round trip & wait around, plus I'd rather not have a lot of people in and around the car. In the dealer's defense, and except for adding too much oil, I think they did a pretty good job. Thanks Greg, for the phone call and putting me more at ease with this particular dealership!
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. Then I placed a couple of jack stands under the crossmember for safety. I crawled under with my wrenches, a drop-light, a clear, liter sized pop bottle, a funnel and a whole bunch of rags. Then I loosened the plug till the threads disengaged, but only pulled it out far enough to allow a strong tricke of oil to escape. When the bottle was just under half full I replaced the plug & torqued to 18 ft lb. I removed my tools & jack stands and lowered the car, alternating left to right, a few inches at a time. Rechecked the oil level when the car was level... and it was a done deal! Worked like a champ...the oil flow was very controlable and I didn't spill a drop. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
Thanks for all the great suggestions....I'm not a professional mechanic, so all the tips & moral support was/is greatly appreciated!
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. Then I placed a couple of jack stands under the crossmember for safety. I crawled under with my wrenches, a drop-light, a clear, liter sized pop bottle, a funnel and a whole bunch of rags. Then I loosened the plug till the threads disengaged, but only pulled it out far enough to allow a strong tricke of oil to escape. When the bottle was just under half full I replaced the plug & torqued to 18 ft lb. I removed my tools & jack stands and lowered the car, alternating left to right, a few inches at a time. Rechecked the oil level when the car was level... and it was a done deal! Worked like a champ...the oil flow was very controlable and I didn't spill a drop. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
Thanks for all the great suggestions....I'm not a professional mechanic, so all the tips & moral support was/is greatly appreciated!
That is essentially how I've done it. The oil is not under any pressure except gravity so keeping the plug in place but removing it just enough to allow oil to slowly drain is all that is necessary. Glad the forum helped.
#16
Changing the oil/filter on a C6 is very easy. Just get a low profile jack (Al is best) and a set of pucks - there is no need to get under the car you can just slide your arm under and remove the filter and drain plug. I would just pull the oil filter when cold and you will remove at least half a quart. I have never taken my car to the dealer either, way too many horror stories
#17
Melting Slicks
OK fellas (& fella-ettes
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
I used two floor jacks & lifting pucks to raise the car at the cowl, alternating left to right, a few pumps at a time, to avoid twisting anything. The hardest part was getting the car up in the air. Thank goodness for neighbors willing to lend the second floor jack!
#18
Tech Contributor
I also wouldn't have bothered to take out the extra quart, I've also done that for road course use many times and leave it in there.
Our cars absolutely lose oil pressure upon heavy g-load launches. I have started scanning oil pressure, check out what it does when the car launches...it's the teal line on the fourth graph below. See what a 1.44 60 foot launch does to the oil pressure.
The ls3 cars have a oil starvation mode in the tune to cut power when oil pressure reaches a certain level for a certain period of time due to this issue, and we all know track type cars have the dry sump to prevent this problem.
#19
goldini
What if the dealer install 3 quarts to much??
This what happen to me today I drove five miles and white smoke was pouring out the exhaust>>
Took it back they did an new oil change and tell me its fine>> I want a new car for crist sakes it had only 550 miles.
This what happen to me today I drove five miles and white smoke was pouring out the exhaust>>
Took it back they did an new oil change and tell me its fine>> I want a new car for crist sakes it had only 550 miles.
#20
Seriously what damage can be done if you drive ten miles with a c7 stingray with 3 quarts to much oil. I mean it was smoking I thought the car was on fire. I want this dealer to do something for me I mean incompetent fools they are