[Z06] Battery Replacement Advice
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Battery Replacement Advice
So, my '10 Z06 (Project Crystal) on this Forum, sits dead in my garage with it's second Delco Battery. I do use a trickle charger on this car, but not 100% of the time.
Along with all of the power and handling mods I have done, I have been putting the car on a modest weight reduction plan, and it is now at 3090 lbs, even with gaining a few pounds when I added the Apsis custom leather/alcantera seats to replace the former folding chairs. I figure that I am now at about 425 lbs lighter that the dreadnought C7 Z with power levels very close.
So making lemonade out of lemons, perhaps I could knock off a few more lbs with the new battery, old battery is 36 lbs.
I have narrowed down my choices based upon my review of the excellent spreadsheet in this Forum that documents comparative weights. My primary concerns are not $$$, but weight, and decent reliable startability for a recreational toy.
Candidates are:
1. Autozone Gold - 29.7 lbs
2. Odyssey - 26 lbs
3. Braille 2015c - 15 lbs.
Opinions?
Thanks!
Along with all of the power and handling mods I have done, I have been putting the car on a modest weight reduction plan, and it is now at 3090 lbs, even with gaining a few pounds when I added the Apsis custom leather/alcantera seats to replace the former folding chairs. I figure that I am now at about 425 lbs lighter that the dreadnought C7 Z with power levels very close.
So making lemonade out of lemons, perhaps I could knock off a few more lbs with the new battery, old battery is 36 lbs.
I have narrowed down my choices based upon my review of the excellent spreadsheet in this Forum that documents comparative weights. My primary concerns are not $$$, but weight, and decent reliable startability for a recreational toy.
Candidates are:
1. Autozone Gold - 29.7 lbs
2. Odyssey - 26 lbs
3. Braille 2015c - 15 lbs.
Opinions?
Thanks!
#3
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How long have you had it installed, do you use a charger/maintainer? What is the CCA and reserve, also cost?
I'm thinking lithium next time for the weight savings. Just kinda nervous how it will hold up. The Braille I would like is over a grand, with a short warranty period.
I'm thinking lithium next time for the weight savings. Just kinda nervous how it will hold up. The Braille I would like is over a grand, with a short warranty period.
It seems to be fine. Other members on here have/are running it. It is super small and very light(less than 5 lbs). I used Katech's braille battery foam support to secure it, but you could easily cut pieces out of foam to secure it yourself.
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I have been trying to find out a replacement battery for about a week, I will share what I have learned:
1. If your battery is an enclosed battery you need a vented battery.
The Duralast is vented....( I have a GS that is enclosed in the rear battery so it calls for the same Z06 battery which is vented)
The Optma and Odyssey claim you don't need venting but read their website and they can still create hydrogen gas in uncommon situations. Worth the risk...? Probably not,,,
Here is a link in the forum with discussion on this topic..Post #1 and Post #7 ...: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...y-options.html
2. 3 companies make all the major batteries for example Johnson control makes a ton of different batteries.
Here is a list of the batteries they make....
http://bestbatterytips.com/best-bran...nson-controls/
Many people use this as a reason to buy the cheapest at Walmart, however, Chevrolet makes a bunch of cars just like Johnson makes a ton of batteries, the most expensive cars at Chevrolet (like our corvette) are better than the lower cost ones. So surely although Johnson makes many brands they are not created equal?...Or maybe its like generic prescriptions and they are all the same? I don't know and I don't think, based on reviews I have read, it makes a big enough difference to matter. Some of the best name batteries last no longer in some cases than the cheapest...
3. Nonetheless, with our cars you will be replacing them sooner than later so I have gone to looking at only the Cold cranking amps, cranking amps, reserve time, vented or not , and weight....the Duralast was my final decision. http://www.autozone.com/batteries-st...96492&cmpid=cj
I hope this helps!
1. If your battery is an enclosed battery you need a vented battery.
The Duralast is vented....( I have a GS that is enclosed in the rear battery so it calls for the same Z06 battery which is vented)
The Optma and Odyssey claim you don't need venting but read their website and they can still create hydrogen gas in uncommon situations. Worth the risk...? Probably not,,,
Here is a link in the forum with discussion on this topic..Post #1 and Post #7 ...: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...y-options.html
2. 3 companies make all the major batteries for example Johnson control makes a ton of different batteries.
Here is a list of the batteries they make....
http://bestbatterytips.com/best-bran...nson-controls/
Many people use this as a reason to buy the cheapest at Walmart, however, Chevrolet makes a bunch of cars just like Johnson makes a ton of batteries, the most expensive cars at Chevrolet (like our corvette) are better than the lower cost ones. So surely although Johnson makes many brands they are not created equal?...Or maybe its like generic prescriptions and they are all the same? I don't know and I don't think, based on reviews I have read, it makes a big enough difference to matter. Some of the best name batteries last no longer in some cases than the cheapest...
3. Nonetheless, with our cars you will be replacing them sooner than later so I have gone to looking at only the Cold cranking amps, cranking amps, reserve time, vented or not , and weight....the Duralast was my final decision. http://www.autozone.com/batteries-st...96492&cmpid=cj
I hope this helps!
Last edited by Cor430vette; 05-17-2015 at 11:39 AM.
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Melting Slicks
Here is more information also on the venting dilema straight from optima's web page....if you type in "venting" on their webpage there are allot of comments from them stating that it needs to be vented from a safety stand point...
http://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us...tima-mailbox5/
http://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us...ries-trailers/
Last edited by Cor430vette; 05-17-2015 at 11:39 AM.
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Melting Slicks
Here is a quote:
The Optima and the Odyssey are both Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) mat batteries and both have the potential to vent hydrogen gas.
The Odyssey has a vent (aka valve):
And according to the MSDS, it may produce hydrogen:
The Odyssey looks nice WRT physical size and positive terminal orientation but their application guide does not even list specific vehicles and I'll bet you can't get them to say any of their batteries are a replacement for the OEM Z06 battery.
The Odyssey has a vent (aka valve):
And according to the MSDS, it may produce hydrogen:
The Odyssey looks nice WRT physical size and positive terminal orientation but their application guide does not even list specific vehicles and I'll bet you can't get them to say any of their batteries are a replacement for the OEM Z06 battery.
Last edited by Cor430vette; 04-05-2015 at 11:31 PM.
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Did not know that. I wonder if they were not aware of the risk back then? Nonetheless, even if risk is low we actually have the option to not take the risk at all....unlike back then ....if the Optima and Odyssey were so astronomically better it may be worth the risk but I have read about them going dead also...
Last edited by Cor430vette; 04-05-2015 at 11:36 PM.
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Thanks for the replies, guys. I am a bit confused by comments on the Odyssey battery since I thought it was quite a bit lighter than the stock unit, not heavier...
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Odyssey is not lighter, it's a tiny bit heavier, but it has much greater "pulse cranking" power which is what you need to start an LS7, especially a modified one. The reason the Odyssey is a bit heavier is the virgin lead plates. There's a lot of info on Odyssey's web site.
One of the first things I did with my '12 Z is put an Odyssey in place of the OE Delco.
In theory, yes, the Odyssey might make hydrogen, but I don't think that's an issue unless you constantly run a high charge rate. The battery is not vented so it's going to be hard for the H2 to get out.
One of the first things I did with my '12 Z is put an Odyssey in place of the OE Delco.
In theory, yes, the Odyssey might make hydrogen, but I don't think that's an issue unless you constantly run a high charge rate. The battery is not vented so it's going to be hard for the H2 to get out.
#13
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My original battery lasted 5 years, and most of the time I didn't have a charger on it. I replaced it for a warm fuzzy feeling, and it was from Auto Zone.
#14
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My original Odyssey battery lasted 10+ years and was still in it's second car when I sold it.....I have not been able to kill one yet. I did run that one in the ground a few times and the Odyssey charger brought it back to life every time. If you use a regular charger/maintainer they might be damaged, but other than that can handle a lot more total discharge cycles than OE.
Odyssey PC1200 weight in specs is 38 lbs, AutoZone/Advance OE replacements weight in spec is 32 lbs, so not a huge difference. Of course there are smaller Odyssey batteries that weigh less but might require some type of mounting solution, the PC1200 fits perfect.
Odyssey PC1200MJT vs OE size (you can also see the double-duct-taped-handle method of extraction used):
Hib Halverson has a review on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/review/RC63...SIN=B002496GK8
The Technical Manual may answer other questions: http://www.odysseybattery.com/docume...1_0411_000.pdf
FWIW, some of the DieHard Platinum batteries are/were rebadged Odyssey batteries at a lower cost.
The Odyssey in my 427 was originally in my GS, to date I have not had any issues with any of the Odyssey batteries I have owned......maybe I'll have this car/battery long enough to replace one.
Odyssey PC1200 weight in specs is 38 lbs, AutoZone/Advance OE replacements weight in spec is 32 lbs, so not a huge difference. Of course there are smaller Odyssey batteries that weigh less but might require some type of mounting solution, the PC1200 fits perfect.
Odyssey PC1200MJT vs OE size (you can also see the double-duct-taped-handle method of extraction used):
Hib Halverson has a review on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/review/RC63...SIN=B002496GK8
The Technical Manual may answer other questions: http://www.odysseybattery.com/docume...1_0411_000.pdf
FWIW, some of the DieHard Platinum batteries are/were rebadged Odyssey batteries at a lower cost.
The Odyssey in my 427 was originally in my GS, to date I have not had any issues with any of the Odyssey batteries I have owned......maybe I'll have this car/battery long enough to replace one.
Last edited by wrh3; 04-06-2015 at 05:53 PM.
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2 Batteries in 5 years should have been 100% covered under the standard 30 month full replacement for AC Delco...
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The Odyssey I was originally referring to was Part PC925MJT, listed in the Sticky spreadsheet itemizing weights of various parts, as 26 lbs. Clearly, this must be a different model than the one referenced in Hib's response....
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Well....probably not...You see, bought this '10 3LZ (one of two left in the country) brand new off of the showroom floor at a RI dealership in the summer of '11, at an extremely serious discount from MSRP Just before I picked it up, they had replaced the original battery with another Delco, said the original went dead. Car had about 30 miles on it when I bought it.
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Well....probably not...You see, bought this '10 3LZ (one of two left in the country) brand new off of the showroom floor at a RI dealership in the summer of '11, at an extremely serious discount from MSRP Just before I picked it up, they had replaced the original battery with another Delco, said the original went dead. Car had about 30 miles on it when I bought it.
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If you look at one of my photos on page 1 of this thread, I found the easiest way was to make a duct tape handle, run from the bottom of one side of the battery to the bottom of the other side so that it has a lot of surface area to stick to, doubled up for strength. You will still have to maneuver a bit to get it out (kind of like that old game operation but with a heavy organ) but it does the job.