outhouse

No, they know now. No ignorance about it. A few have messaged him.


he is choosing to be fraudulent now with his advertising something he does not possess.

Dan_the_C5_Man

Sorry, cant let this one slide.. What percentage of possibility did the owner that (clearly) couldn't or didn't want to spend the cash on a proper repair or replacement LS7, then sells said vehicle to a dealer (not a private buyer that might dig deeper), is the same guy who is going to go out of his way to explain to said dealer how the car doesn't have the power plant that made it a landmark vehicle, AND would significantly impact the resale value? Little to zero possibility.. And in my book, he defrauded that dealer. There are laws around misrepresentation.

If I buy an $800 car stereo from a guy on the street for 50 bucks, knowing there is a 99.9% chance he stole the radio, does it absolve me of guilt just because I didn't break into the car myself? Not hardly..

Unreal

Your just making assumptions. No one knows what the deal was. Maybe the dealer bought it with no motor and thats how they chose to fix it? Maybe previous person was honest? Who the hell knows, so saying the person who sold it to a dealer is commiting fraud is nothing more than a fantasy.

outhouse

Regardless of what happened previously, and we believe he received from another dealers front line.


He knows now and refuses to address his ebay listing.

Nowanker

Fine points of the law, perhaps.
I do know that if it was ME that swapped the motor and then sold the car, I would be going to jail over it.
Just the way my universe works. Seems I can get away with anything, until I know better. After that? Zero chance.

Dan_the_C5_Man

That is true, and there also wasn't any video of O.J. killing two people in cold blood, yet most logical thinking folks assume he's guilty. The sun COULD explode tomorrow, but sure, it's nothing "more than a fantasy" that it will rise again tomorrow until it actually does, only then does it become fact.

Let's make this a simpler conversation - would you trade in a Z06 with a blown motor, replaced with an LS1 or 2 or 3 or whatever, and not disclose this to whomever you sold it to, dealer or otherwise? Caveat Emptor personified? I would hope not I, think more of you than that.

Dan_the_C5_Man

Of course not. The dealer got rolled, he wants to pass that on to the next guy - he doesn't want to take the hit..

Brian@miracle

Well scam is a bit extreme. I'm the sales manager at this dealership, we purchased the vehicle, as well as many others in the past and when we purchased it we didn't receive any information that it wasn't the original engine.

After looking through this thread it seems the tell tale signs are the lack of the dry sump, and the alternator having the incorrect pulley on it. Am I missing anything else? Anything stamped on the block that would indicate, for certain it's the incorrect engine? Clearly if it is an LS2 that's an issue I just need some way to definitely be able to tell. Figured if anyone can help me out there it's you guys.

Unfortunately it's kinda par for the course in this business, we do go over everything when we purchase a car but checking to make sure it's the right engine usually isn't one of them. And since we aren't corvette experts it wasn't something we knew to look for

On our end, this is what appears to have happened.

Fixed this after the video


Either way, once we can get it in the shop and verify if it is or isn't an LS2 we'll change the ad accordingly.

Cheers!

dmuellenberg

And to top it off, he is advertising it as a 'rare collector' car.

outhouse

Intake manifold is the dead give away.


No oil lines going to the EOC on the radiator shroud.

Brian@miracle

4 bolt vs 3 bolt correct?

outhouse

As long as your listing states LS7 and its not, its a scam being we brought this up to you.


Right thing to do is edit/pull the listing until you correct YOUR errors.

Dan_the_C5_Man

I reported the eBay listing a few mins ago, but I think it's GREAT that the seller is being pro-active and looks like he will do the right thing!

And Unreal, I'll refrain from my "I told you so's.." Oops!!

outhouse

The manifold in YOUR picture is not this.

jp_tt_awd

Easiest way to tell its an LS2 top end is by looking at the intake manifold, the runners are rounded. The LS7 intake manifold has broad flat runners. Also this is probably not an LS3 because the ls3 has a beauty cover that goes over the manifold that mimics the rounded shape of the LS2's runners.

Heres a pic of an LS7 manifold

outhouse

outhouse

LS2 intake

jp_tt_awd

Whats even more sketchy is this might not even be a LS2, it could just be 5.3, etc truck motor with a LS2 top end. The majority of LS and LS based engines parts are interchangeable. Dealers need to be really thorough nowadays, these swaps are pretty easy and fairly common.

-jp

Brian@miracle

Thanks guys! I'll be getting it in the shop first thing to get this verified and the ad will be removed until I have an answer.

rjacobs

LS2/3 doesnt have a 7200k RPM red line either.

Fuel cut should be somewhere around 6200 in the LS2/3's I believe.