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01-10-2013, 02:48 PM
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The early 6 cylinder cars were slugs but some of the later solid axle cars, especially the fuelies with 4:11's, would run 13's and accelerate to 60 in under 6 seconds. Not bad for that era. The old cars will hold their value alot better than the new ones.
01-10-2013, 02:51 PM
#22
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I just don't think it's possible in this day and age of airbags, door beams and crumple zones along with the 'industry standard' A/C, infotainment systems and sound deadening to get the car much lighter than that.I'm guessing it could be as low as 3040 and as high as 3130.
01-10-2013, 02:54 PM
#23
Le Mans Master
Technology is amazing. The cars are dramatically safer, faster, emissions, and packed full of goodies and the fact that they can even sniff the weight of a 50 year old car is a blessing.
01-10-2013, 03:10 PM
#24
Give me a break. If you actually weigh an 84-87, they are not much more than 3000, WITH 60 POUNDS WORTH OF JACKS, SPARE TIRES and extra crap, which the new ones don't have.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
01-10-2013, 03:19 PM
#25
Boy a lot of you guys are dreaming. The McLaren F1 was about 2,500 lbs and is about the size of a miata. It used the absolute lightest materials known to man, with a carbon monocoque.
How do you honestly think a 2014 corvette with all of the emissions regulations and safety standards is going to weigh under 3,100?
I'd be shocked if the new car is sub 3,100 REALLY. Trust me i hope it's great, but lets be realistic here.
How do you honestly think a 2014 corvette with all of the emissions regulations and safety standards is going to weigh under 3,100?
I'd be shocked if the new car is sub 3,100 REALLY. Trust me i hope it's great, but lets be realistic here.
01-10-2013, 03:29 PM
#26
Burning Brakes
2900k lbs??? sounds like a locomotive... 
Seriously, though, what does this post have to do with anything? Point is, very early Vettes actually were lighter than the '58, albeit way slower. Oh, and the collectors out there will pay MUCH more for a nice example of a '53 than they'll pay for a 2013 ZR-1. So, I guess that's who wants them.
Seriously, though, what does this post have to do with anything? Point is, very early Vettes actually were lighter than the '58, albeit way slower. Oh, and the collectors out there will pay MUCH more for a nice example of a '53 than they'll pay for a 2013 ZR-1. So, I guess that's who wants them.
01-10-2013, 03:59 PM
#27
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Give me a break. If you actually weigh an 84-87, they are not much more than 3000, WITH 60 POUNDS WORTH OF JACKS, SPARE TIRES and extra crap, which the new ones don't have.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
'84- 3239 lbs
'65- 3230
'70- 3425
'59- 3080
01-10-2013, 04:03 PM
#28
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Boy a lot of you guys are dreaming. The McLaren F1 was about 2,500 lbs and is about the size of a miata. It used the absolute lightest materials known to man, with a carbon monocoque.
How do you honestly think a 2014 corvette with all of the emissions regulations and safety standards is going to weigh under 3,100?
I'd be shocked if the new car is sub 3,100 REALLY. Trust me i hope it's great, but lets be realistic here.
How do you honestly think a 2014 corvette with all of the emissions regulations and safety standards is going to weigh under 3,100?
I'd be shocked if the new car is sub 3,100 REALLY. Trust me i hope it's great, but lets be realistic here.
Wheelbase: McLaren 107", Miata 91.7"
Length: McLaren 168.8", Miata 157.3"
Width: McLaren 71.7", Miata 67.7"
Curb Weight: McLaren 2509, Miata 2480
I think that the 3,000 weigh is achievable. All carbon fiber body panels, carbon fiber floor, aluminum frame (all these reported by Car and Driver). The aluminum frame saves well over 100 pounds over the steel frame alone. Anyhow, we'll find out next week.
Jimmy
Last edited by jimmyb; 01-10-2013 at 05:35 PM.
01-10-2013, 04:29 PM
#29
I am not sure of the accuracy but here you go.
1955
Curb weight 2750
http://www.vettefacts.com/C1/1955.aspx
1955
Curb weight 2750
http://www.vettefacts.com/C1/1955.aspx
01-10-2013, 04:35 PM
#30
Team Owner
I had a 1946 Crosely sedan while in college. 1151 pounds curb weight.
They had real engineers back then, instead of these today that only know how to use a computer that results in 3200 pound lead sled sports cars.
01-10-2013, 04:36 PM
#31
Team Owner
McLaren F1 the size of a Miata? Not even close:
Wheelbase: McLaren 107", Miata 91.7"
Length: McLaren 168.8", Miata 157.3"
Width: McLaren 71.7", Miata 67.7"
Curb Weight: McLaren 2509, Miata 2480
I think that the 3,000 weigh is achievable. All carbon fiber body panels, carbon fiber floor, aluminum frame (all these reported by Car and Driver). The aluminum frame saves well over 100 pounds over the steel frame alone. Anyhow, we'll find out next week.
Jimmy
Wheelbase: McLaren 107", Miata 91.7"
Length: McLaren 168.8", Miata 157.3"
Width: McLaren 71.7", Miata 67.7"
Curb Weight: McLaren 2509, Miata 2480
I think that the 3,000 weigh is achievable. All carbon fiber body panels, carbon fiber floor, aluminum frame (all these reported by Car and Driver). The aluminum frame saves well over 100 pounds over the steel frame alone. Anyhow, we'll find out next week.
Jimmy
01-10-2013, 04:40 PM
#32
Team Owner
Ramey is delusional with his weights, especially his 87.
01-10-2013, 04:41 PM
#33
Race Director
Give me a break. If you actually weigh an 84-87, they are not much more than 3000, WITH 60 POUNDS WORTH OF JACKS, SPARE TIRES and extra crap, which the new ones don't have.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
I would bet a small block 65-7 is probably actually under 3000 in some trim as well.
My 70 was under 3000, and that was with 300 extra pounds worth of iron calipers, wheels, and engine parts.
I'd bet ALL of the 50's vettes come in close to or under 3000.
3000 is HEAVY. Not light.
A g machine c1-4, with modern wheels, calipers, coilovers or fiberglass springs, and a modern motor will be in the 26-2800 range, in FULL street trim.
all that is with NO carbon fiber, etc.
you can thank the government for a lot of that BS weight, and then thank fat butts and out of control electrical engineers for the rest.
This car should be sub - 2800, and actually it should be about 7/8 scale and be sub 2600.
Jimmy
01-10-2013, 04:45 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
I really shouldn't say this, but anything starting with a 3xxx curb weight will leave me let down. I need to convince myself to be happy with a 30xx weight so I'm either not that let down or estatic when its 29xx
01-10-2013, 04:53 PM
#36
Burning Brakes
If they can go lighter than a C5Z @ 3115lbs I will be happy and amazed.
So far, since 01 the C5Z has been the lightest vette by far.
My 03 Subaru WRX weighs a 150lbs more than my C5Z.
So far, since 01 the C5Z has been the lightest vette by far.
My 03 Subaru WRX weighs a 150lbs more than my C5Z.
01-10-2013, 05:57 PM
#37
Race Director
That look would have held up well over the years
I think R&T would refer to those days' Detroit styling as "wretched excess"
01-11-2013, 03:01 AM
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01-11-2013, 04:16 AM
#39
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I would be ecstatic with any base curb weight under 3100 (30xx range). Anything under 3050
might even have me placing an order ASAP.
01-11-2013, 06:38 PM
#40
getting your hopes up wayyy to much. It's GM. They will have to leave room for the next c8 corvette. They can't give us what we all want not. It will be a tad lighter......and a bit faster. that's all.
