If you have PDR, it's illegal to use it in Valet Mode
09-22-2014, 09:49 PM
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09-22-2014, 09:52 PM
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it is illegal to drive my car without my permission. I don't have a PDR but do have a GO-Pro. I don't let valet park my car which means if someone else is driving it, they don't have my permission. The Go-Pro is very capable in recording who ever is driving. My car! my law!! 
09-22-2014, 09:59 PM
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Since '05 I've valeted w/o much in the way of worry, but I do have an index card (which I tape to the steering wheel) that says "LOW FRONT-END CLEARANCE! BACK IN ONLY", I might want to add "THIS VEHICLE IS BEING RECORDED", or some-such. Even though it isn't.
I've never had any evidence of any abuse by valets, except a pen left in the cup holder, which may, or may not, have been left by a valet listening to the radio in the wee hours of the morning, but it might be enough to deter some young buck from temptation.
After all, how are they to know it's not really recording?
I've never had any evidence of any abuse by valets, except a pen left in the cup holder, which may, or may not, have been left by a valet listening to the radio in the wee hours of the morning, but it might be enough to deter some young buck from temptation.
After all, how are they to know it's not really recording?
09-22-2014, 11:49 PM
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I hope the update plasters a warning on the dash displays saying that the recording is occurring. That done, there will be less chance of running afoul of privacy laws but more importantly less chance someone will be abusing the car.
09-23-2014, 12:16 AM
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If they are telling you not to use the PDR in valet mode, then they need to have some warning display.
09-23-2014, 02:19 AM
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Why couldn't the update include a message on the screen with an acknowledgement button (on the touch screen) that would be required to be pushed before the car could be started?
Then, the valet or whoever, would have offered consent to being recorded. Just a thought...
Then, the valet or whoever, would have offered consent to being recorded. Just a thought...
09-23-2014, 06:46 AM
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Our laws are so screwed up......... It's illegal to record someone in your car while they are sneaking it out for a quick drive without your permission!
From GM:
Attention:
General Manager, Service Advisor, Service Manager, Parts and
Service Director, Parts Manager, New Vehicle Sales Manager,
and Warranty Administrator
This notice is being sent to you regarding 2015 model year Corvettes equipped with the Performance Data Recorder (UQT).
The Performance Data Recorder (UQT) in these vehicles, when used in Valet Mode, allows a customer to record the driving of their Corvette when the vehicle is not in their control. In Valet Mode, the PDR will also record activity and conversations that take place in the vehicle.
To help our customers use the Performance Data Recorder (UQT) consistent with legal requirements that pertain to audio recording devices, we will be requiring a very important update to the system of each affected vehicle in the near future. We expect that the update will be available early next month. At that time, we will provide details about the update and let you know what steps you need to take, if any, to complete the update for vehicles in your inventory.
In the meantime, you must advise any customers who take delivery of an impacted vehicle that they should refrain from using the Valet Mode until the update takes place. If they do use the Valet Mode, they should (i) notify any occupants of the vehicle that they will be recorded while in the vehicle, and (ii) obtain their consent to this recording. It is very important that you explain this to each customer at the time of delivery.
Attached is a copy of a written communication for you to provide to customers to accomplish this notice. We are sending the same communication to customers who have already taken delivery of a Corvette vehicle equipped with PDR.
We greatly appreciate your cooperation in conveying this important information to your customers.
From GM:
Attention:
General Manager, Service Advisor, Service Manager, Parts and
Service Director, Parts Manager, New Vehicle Sales Manager,
and Warranty Administrator
This notice is being sent to you regarding 2015 model year Corvettes equipped with the Performance Data Recorder (UQT).
The Performance Data Recorder (UQT) in these vehicles, when used in Valet Mode, allows a customer to record the driving of their Corvette when the vehicle is not in their control. In Valet Mode, the PDR will also record activity and conversations that take place in the vehicle.
To help our customers use the Performance Data Recorder (UQT) consistent with legal requirements that pertain to audio recording devices, we will be requiring a very important update to the system of each affected vehicle in the near future. We expect that the update will be available early next month. At that time, we will provide details about the update and let you know what steps you need to take, if any, to complete the update for vehicles in your inventory.
In the meantime, you must advise any customers who take delivery of an impacted vehicle that they should refrain from using the Valet Mode until the update takes place. If they do use the Valet Mode, they should (i) notify any occupants of the vehicle that they will be recorded while in the vehicle, and (ii) obtain their consent to this recording. It is very important that you explain this to each customer at the time of delivery.
Attached is a copy of a written communication for you to provide to customers to accomplish this notice. We are sending the same communication to customers who have already taken delivery of a Corvette vehicle equipped with PDR.
We greatly appreciate your cooperation in conveying this important information to your customers.
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09-23-2014, 08:05 AM
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09-23-2014, 08:40 AM
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If I understand this correctly, the issue is not with the camera or recording of vehicle data. The issue is with voice recording only. That's the least valuable part of the PDR in valet mode, so it doesn't seem worth all the anguish.
09-23-2014, 09:23 AM
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Sounds reasonable to me and I really hope you’re right.
As others have said, if GM wanted a “real” valet mode, there would be a key option that reduced the available power to say 200 HP and say 4000 rpm so some ******** valet clown couldn’t horsewhip your car.
Valid fear of abuse is why I will never put the car in the hands of a valet driver, plus I feel no need to pay absurd prices and tip some high school dropout when I can park a little farther out for free. Call me cheap if you wish, it won’t hurt my feelings. Don
As others have said, if GM wanted a “real” valet mode, there would be a key option that reduced the available power to say 200 HP and say 4000 rpm so some ******** valet clown couldn’t horsewhip your car.
Valid fear of abuse is why I will never put the car in the hands of a valet driver, plus I feel no need to pay absurd prices and tip some high school dropout when I can park a little farther out for free. Call me cheap if you wish, it won’t hurt my feelings. Don
09-23-2014, 09:25 AM
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Here are the states where it is illegal to record without both parties granting permission, likewise all of Canada is the same...it opens you to criminal charges under state law as well as civil suits. So a valet could be looking for some easy money in these states, no one needs the hassle.
Twelve states-California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington-require the consent of all parties for you to record a conversation.
Twelve states-California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington-require the consent of all parties for you to record a conversation.
09-23-2014, 09:30 AM
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Here are the states where it is illegal to record without both parties granting permission, likewise all of Canada is the same...it opens you to criminal charges under state law as well as civil suits. So a valet could be looking for some easy money in these states, no one needs the hassle.
Twelve states-California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington-require the consent of all parties for you to record a conversation.
Twelve states-California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington-require the consent of all parties for you to record a conversation.
09-23-2014, 09:36 PM
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09-23-2014, 10:25 PM
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I do know in the US the voice recording of people without their permission does very by state.
In MO, you don't need the permission of the other person to record them. It used to be in IL the law said you did need the others permission but the courts said you didn't. That was 20 years ago. It might have changed.
As for video, we live in a age where video camera are everywhere and there are seldom signs warning that we are being recorded. I live in highrise and we have video everywhere. I really don't see how this is any different. If this is an issue, why can't it be solved by a waring on the screen that advises the driver that the video valet mode is engaged and they are being recorded as they drive the car. This will actually solve all the problems the valet mode was intended to solve.
If this is legit we will know soon enough by GM's actions.
Last edited by dwward; 09-23-2014 at 10:32 PM.
09-24-2014, 01:23 AM
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