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Old 07-26-2010, 02:09 PM
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Default ALMS Corvette ZR1's.....What Happened

Was watching the race at Lime Rock Park and it seemed as if the M powered BMW's were going to run them right off of the track!!! It wasn't long ago that nobody could compete with the corvette's but this drop down in class has the GM team searching for answers, for now at least. No BMW should be doing that to the factory backed ZR1's!!!!!!!
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ZR1 in name only.

the engine is a De-stroked LS3 to 5.5 liters per rules
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It wasn't long ago where Corvette was its own competition in GT1 racing..
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here ya go

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2010/...-at-lime-rock/
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It's that darn ethanol! Corn belongs in a feed lot, not in a 'Vette!
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z06
Was watching the race at Lime Rock Park and it seemed as if the M powered BMW's were going to run them right off of the track!!! It wasn't long ago that nobody could compete with the corvette's but this drop down in class has the GM team searching for answers, for now at least. No BMW should be doing that to the factory backed ZR1's!!!!!!!
You mean when it was #3 against #4 Corvette?
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
You mean when it was #3 against #4 Corvette?

Yeah John I liked it better than getting our butts kicked but a buch of M powered cars and Porsches....lol Anyway I do remember the Oreca Viper days and the great battles with the Aston's like it was yesterday.......

P.S. You remember the advantage that you had in that Skater over those V-Bottom boys don't you?????????? Where is Ike Batista these days and "Spirit of the Amazon"......ah the good old days!!!!

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You mean when it was #3 against #4 Corvette?
I'll take struggling in GT2 over racing each other in GT1 any day. The officiating during that race certainly didn't help. The blocking penalty seemed odd if, as the commentators mentioned, there was not even a warning. Take a look at the GT standings:

5 1 45 GT Bergmeister/(Long*) 161 10 Laps 2:45:40.015 56.022 106 Porsche 911 RSR Running
6 2 92 GT Auberlen*/(Milner) 161 10 Laps 2:45:41.510 56.107 132 BMW M3 GT Running
7 3 90 GT (Mueller)/Hand* 161 10 Laps 2:45:44.094 55.943 126 BMW M3 GT Running
8 4 61 GT Salo*/(Kaffer) 160 11 Laps 2:45:56.305 56.196 124 Ferrari 430 GT Running
9 5 4 GT (Beretta)/Gavin* 159 12 Laps 2:45:15.385 55.973 116 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Running

The no. 4 ran the second quickest lap in GT and only .03 slower than the fastest BMW. Yet, it had to move out of the way because the BMW's didn't have power/handling to pass (isn't that racing?). I suppose the no. 4 may have been padding the no. 3's position at the time, but a warning would have been appropriate.
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Originally Posted by Redmenace
The no. 4 ran the second quickest lap in GT and only .03 slower than the fastest BMW. Yet, it had to move out of the way because the BMW's didn't have power/handling to pass (isn't that racing?). I suppose the no. 4 may have been padding the no. 3's position at the time, but a warning would have been appropriate.
The blocking was pretty obvious. Whether it was because the driver in the Vette was sand-bagging on purpose to pad #3 or because something was wrong with the car, he was clearly holding those two Bimmers up. They were hauling some serious *** during that part of the race.

Now, what hasn't been discussed here is the Bimmers using push-to-pass 'cheater' technology in their cars for this race. It hasn't made too much press, but my understanding is they openly bragged about it before the race to a bunch of fans/officials/etc in some meeting. I wasn't there, but forum member BWright was, and he emailed that to me after the meeting.

Anyone know anything about it in the Bimmers? I looked it up and only found mention of it in Indy...

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why should factory backed BMW's be slower than factory backed Vettes, especially campaigned by Rahal-Letterman! I'm GRATEFULL that there is some competition in GT, or the race would have been a total waste of time!
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Originally Posted by davidfarmer
why should factory backed BMW's be slower than factory backed Vettes, especially campaigned by Rahal-Letterman! I'm GRATEFULL that there is some competition in GT, or the race would have been a total waste of time!
I would rather lose a good fight than not fight at all.
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Anyone know anything about it in the Bimmers? I looked it up and only found mention of it in Indy...

jas
http://www.rahal.com/alms/cars/
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
Yeah, I'm not seeing mention of the push-to-pass in that press release though. Unless they called it something else and I missed it...

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:corn: about hearing about the push to pass. what is the theory of it?
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Originally Posted by dvandentop
about hearing about the push to pass. what is the theory of it?
The idea is a button on the steering wheel that boosts engine HP for brief amounts of time. The info about it in Indy Car...

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090729/IRL/907299994

I don't know if it's the same thing they were referring to in the meeting prior to the race. But my guess is: yes. It was.

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
ZR1 in name only.

the engine is a De-stroked LS3 to 5.5 liters per rules

There is no rule in ACO/ALMS that states 5.5L! ACO rule is a max of 8.0L for GT-2.






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Originally Posted by jvp
The blocking was pretty obvious. Whether it was because the driver in the Vette was sand-bagging on purpose to pad #3 or because something was wrong with the car, he was clearly holding those two Bimmers up. They were hauling some serious *** during that part of the race.

Now, what hasn't been discussed here is the Bimmers using push-to-pass 'cheater' technology in their cars for this race. It hasn't made too much press, but my understanding is they openly bragged about it before the race to a bunch of fans/officials/etc in some meeting. I wasn't there, but forum member BWright was, and he emailed that to me after the meeting.

Anyone know anything about it in the Bimmers? I looked it up and only found mention of it in Indy...

jas
Huh? We must have seen different races! Olivier only kept to the racing line, no multi directional moves to keep the M3 behind. It is the job of the pursuer to pass, not the lead car to pull over and let em by. They were racing for position!




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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG
There is no rule in ACO/ALMS that states 5.5L! ACO rule is a max of 8.0L for GT-2.
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per corvette engineers this is what the engine is:

a destroked LS7 to 6.0 liters.

http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/g...6r_specs.shtml


Corvette C6, C6 Z06 and Corvette GT1 engines
http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c...ne_specs.shtml

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Lane

per corvette engineers this is what the engine is:

a destroked LS7 to 6.0 liters.

http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/g...6r_specs.shtml


Corvette C6, C6 Z06 and Corvette GT1 engines
http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c...ne_specs.shtml
I said nothing about it not being a 5.5L engine, I said there is no regulation in ACO or ALMS rules that states that it must be!



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