rjwz28

This is a VERY important question.

Also, Z06 Z07 vs ACR might as well be apples vs oranges. This should have been the TA 2.0's battle, not the ACR's. The ACR should puppy-kick the Z07...it's WAY more of a track rat than the Z07. I would have been seriously disappointed if it hadn't beaten the Corvette handily.

Why is NOBODY testing the TA 2.0?

Crabbers

You failed to mention what generation Vipers you've driven.

RC000E

That's definitely a good point. I don't think anyone in the Corvette world expected the car to beat a fully aero package Viper, but if the Z06 could just handle itself with consistency I think that'd go a long way. I KNOW that there are guys who track these and don't have the first issue, but it's a pretty split opinion. We know for a fact the guys who track them most consistently (driving schools) say they overheat with absolute regularity.

I have to say, the C7Z just felt completely outclassed in this video. YES, it's the nicer street car...but GM didn't sell a nice street car, it sold "most capable track Corvette ever produced"...that's what they told everyone.

I see everyone talking about the comfort, the open air, the civility of it...it's like we should almost consider putting a Cadillac badge on this car soon and calling it a luxury performance car...a Mercedes benz competitor, not a Porsche competitor.

I'm trying not to turn hater on this C7...but MAN I'm not happy. Maybe I'm over critical...but I am still driving my C5Z for a reason. That car made sense...it was an enthusiast directed machine, they focused on reduced mass...it did the Z06 RPO some justice. This Z06...they just cashed in on the branding.

LFZ

^ I agree....C7z has been a huge dissappointment right off the bat. I wanted one...almost pulled the trigger but stepped back due to the lackluster performance and cooling issues. GM really needs to go back to the drawing board with this one.

MikeLsx

I think the Z06 for car guys is kind of a disappointment. Its really annoying the track problems the car has.

the fact is the masses is what brings in the paper. GM is a corporation and its their job to make money.

the Z06 is more geared for a street monster, rather than track monster. Where most people will drive their cars.

I agree as times goes i feel cars in general are getting worse from a enthusiast point of view. But its hard for me to drive outdated (styling wise) cars. Which is why at the end of the day I will probably continue to keep buying new stuff if i can afford it. I think the best case is to keep cars like your C5 while also buying new stuff. Gives you the sexy styling and new technology of the cars today, while being about to enjoy the good ole days with the old cars.

BOBSZ06

haha...hasn't been a disappointment to GM nor the actual owners!



As for the dead Viper.....

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...-could-happen/

Dominic Toretto

Exactly!

GM marketing was set to advertise the C7Z as a track beast with creature comforts, period. That's why they put 0-60 times, horsepower, magnetic suspension, carbon brakes etc in the marketing. You don't see GM pushing, seat warmers, dual zone climate control and crap like that.

The Corvette is never going to be the fastest car out there. But it would be nice if it could run hard AND be reliable like the previous generation cars. Hell the LS1 C5 I had, I drove the **** out of that car as a DD for 5 years and only developed an engine problem after 140k miles.

-Alex

Illegal Machine

The Viper's best time at Laguna Seca is 1:28.65. Randy Pobst even set the record. No idea why Motor Trend didn't even mention it.

RC000E

I think I recall Ralph Gilles saying Randy wasn't capable of pushing the Viper and was "scared" of it...good one Ralph....real good.

Jbster

umatac1

I am incredibly impressed at the ACRs performance....sure. I would have been disappointed if it had not been on top time of laguna secas. The following are that times from fastest laps:

1 Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Randy Pobst 1:28.65
2 Porsche 918 Spyder Randy Pobst 1:29.89
3 McLaren P1 Randy Pobst 1:30.71
4 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7) Randy Pobst 1:33.05
5 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991)

There are two US sports cars in the top 5 and the other is the Z06. We need a Ford on this list, hopefully the GT can do it. Bragging rights push our car makers to make a faster better car. I appreciate this viper vs corvette vs whatever battles....it makes for better cars all around. C5 to C7 evolution is tremendous and I see what is takes to remain competitive. I hope this continues and the next vette smashes the Z06 and viper. We need to stay on top.

White Out

Porsche needs to respond to the ACR with a batshit insane GT2RS.

rjwz28

They didn't last time, so why would they now?

BOBSZ06

http://www.motortrend.com/news/the-d...rtain-airbags/


"The Viper as it currently exists can’t be fitted with curtain airbags without significantly reducing its already limited headroom. Thus, the model will die in 2017,"

White Out

GT2RS was around after the gen4 ACR went out of production.

rjwz28

...and never matched its lap times, last time I checked.

sam90lx

What else would you say after dropping 90k on it?

White Out

It was the closest stock car to run with the ACR (gen4). The 991 GT3RS has a slower nurburgring lap time than the 997 GT2RS.

gatti-man

That's good for resale of the ACR. Hopefully they bring the viper back more competitive on not just the track but the street as well.

Boba Fett

This has been said over and over and isn't the real reason and if you were a real car guy, you'd know this. There are also more enthusiasts out there that don't come any where near these forums and the truth is, not every1 is completely and totally happy with their Z purchase, as you are. You'd probably have to go to a track every now and again to know this.

Its also quite foolish of you to take joy in knowing the Viper may cease to exist. Again, any real car guy would not feel the same way.

Competition = customer benefits