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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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I know this has probably been covered, but are there any speaker upgrades that replace the stock Bose without modification? I'm looking for improvement, but not a major upgrade or expense. I've got a C6 coupe with Nav. Thanks
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I know this has probably been covered, but are there any speaker upgrades that replace the stock Bose without modification? I'm looking for improvement, but not a major upgrade or expense. I've got a C6 coupe with Nav. Thanks
Sorry, but the reality is that a simple upgrade just doesn't exist. The amp and speakers have been designed to go with one another and they're so different than industry standard that there just isn't an easy solution.
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Old Aug 22, 2006 | 08:26 PM
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This topic has been covered many times, but if you are new to the forum you need to know where to look. Do a search for "C6 speaker upgrade". You can find the pros and cons of different approaches. For the best possible sound you need to replace the amp and speakers. However, a low cost alternative is to only replace the 3.5 and 5.25 speakers. Forum members have replaced with Eclipse, Infinitys, Boston Acoustics, and others. Most have reported a significant improvement in the sound quality. My original intent was to follow Shopdog's approach, but the amp he used is no longer available, so I decided to try the speaker replacement only approach. I have no regrets.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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I did that search (interested in topic) and all I could find was a 2005 post on a C6 which replaced stock speakers with Eclipse speakers, but would not explain how the connectors worked.

From what I've read, it seems that only the door (3.5") and rear (5.25") speakers can be "replaced" without replacing the Bose headunit and amp. The post recommended Eclipse 8233 (another said 8235's were out - this was a year ago) for the front and Eclipse SE8353 for the back.

So, anyone else replaced just the speakers (no amps,no new headunits, etc.)? If so, which brands did you use, and how did you connect them to the Bose speaker wires? This is for an 06 Coupe with Bose and Nav.

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I have recently been exchanging e-mails about this and did a little digging. Infinity makes a 3.5" coaxial, the 32.7 Kappa, that is 2 ohms. I think it's your best chance of simply replacing speakers in the C6 and having a significant effect on the soundstage. They go for $100 at Crutchfield and can be had for around $60-70 elsewhere (Woofers etc, eBay).

The 10" sub in the door cannot just be replaced, it's a self-powered driver so you have to provide amplification to any replacement.

There's not much point in replacing those 5.25's in the rear. They are driven at very low levels with a mono signal for fill. Wired & driven that way I don't see the point in spending money on those speaker positions.
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Thanks for the info! I found the rear 5.25 Eclispe 8353s for $25 new, and the 8253s for $20. They are outdated models - the new ones are 8355 and 8255, which can handle more power. Does anyone know the Bose amp output specs on the 06 Coupe?
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13 watts on a good day.
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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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13 watts on a good day.
Really? Well then, these Eclipse speakers seem like a good deal then - I can replace all 4 for $50. A cheap improvement.

I picked these up in eBay for $50 (all four). I understand these are not a direct connect, and that I will likely need to strip and solder the cables to the new speakers. Can anyone confirm this?

Eclispe SE8233 and SE8253

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Yes, you will... there are not any direct connectors made to interface directly to the existing Bose connectors. You can either cut off the existing plug (leave enough wire so that you can reconnect the factory speakers if you sell the car), or you can tap into the wiring without cutting off the plug. Either way, you should be good to go!!
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Originally Posted by TheKomoman
I have recently been exchanging e-mails about this and did a little digging. Infinity makes a 3.5" coaxial, the 32.7 Kappa, that is 2 ohms. I think it's your best chance of simply replacing speakers in the C6 and having a significant effect on the soundstage. They go for $100 at Crutchfield and can be had for around $60-70 elsewhere (Woofers etc, eBay).

The 10" sub in the door cannot just be replaced, it's a self-powered driver so you have to provide amplification to any replacement.

There's not much point in replacing those 5.25's in the rear. They are driven at very low levels with a mono signal for fill. Wired & driven that way I don't see the point in spending money on those speaker positions.
Why 2 ohms? Most speakers I have found and which I have read others using in this same scenario are 4 ohms. Any problems using a 4 ohm? Any benefits to a 2 ohm?
Also, I notice speakers have a varying amount of RMS Power (eg 35 to 90 Watts). Is this also a concern when selecting speakers? Thanks in advance for any replies, the info I got from the "kids" at the local car audio was vague (I don't think they knew!).
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Originally Posted by emejay
Why 2 ohms? Most speakers I have found and which I have read others using in this same scenario are 4 ohms. Any problems using a 4 ohm? Any benefits to a 2 ohm?
Also, I notice speakers have a varying amount of RMS Power (eg 35 to 90 Watts). Is this also a concern when selecting speakers? Thanks in advance for any replies, the info I got from the "kids" at the local car audio was vague (I don't think they knew!).
I say 2 ohms not because I am certain that's what the Bose amp is setup for, but many previous Bose amps have been 2 ohms so I make one of them there *assumptions.*

For using the stock amp I wouldn't be concerned about power ratings. Neither stock amp is a powerhouse and you will not overdrive speakers. Speaker power ratings are more CYA than anything else. A good driver can normally handle alot more power than it's rating, as long as that power is CLEAN.

We're going to be putting Infinity Kappa 32.7 CS's into greenie99's new Coupe on Saturday. He has the Bose system with NAV. I'll be doing some comparisons pre & post swap out. Those comparisons will be more than a little subjective of course, but hopefully greenie will share his impressions as well.
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Originally Posted by TheKomoman
I say 2 ohms not because I am certain that's what the Bose amp is setup for, but many previous Bose amps have been 2 ohms so I make one of them there *assumptions.*

For using the stock amp I wouldn't be concerned about power ratings. Neither stock amp is a powerhouse and you will not overdrive speakers. Speaker power ratings are more CYA than anything else. A good driver can normally handle alot more power than it's rating, as long as that power is CLEAN.

We're going to be putting Infinity Kappa 32.7 CS's into greenie99's new Coupe on Saturday. He has the Bose system with NAV. I'll be doing some comparisons pre & post swap out. Those comparisons will be more than a little subjective of course, but hopefully greenie will share his impressions as well.
Thanks! I will look forward to reading that comparison.
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Is there any problem using a 2 ohm speaker if the amp was intended for a 4 ohm or 3.4 ohm speaker? I spoke with someone at Infinity's tech dept. and he made it sound like a catastrophy would arise using the wrong ohm speaker. I also checked with Bose and they will provide no specifications whatsoever, other to say all components of the system were matched for optimum sound. The more I critically listen to the stereo in my car and the more I read about Bose, including their arrogant website, the closer I get to ripping the damn thing out and doing it right. My only constraint is I just wrote a check for $80K for the car, and I'm not too interested in writing another one to fix a mediocre sound system.
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Originally Posted by emejay
Is there any problem using a 2 ohm speaker if the amp was intended for a 4 ohm or 3.4 ohm speaker? I spoke with someone at Infinity's tech dept. and he made it sound like a catastrophy would arise using the wrong ohm speaker. I also checked with Bose and they will provide no specifications whatsoever, other to say all components of the system were matched for optimum sound. The more I critically listen to the stereo in my car and the more I read about Bose, including their arrogant website, the closer I get to ripping the damn thing out and doing it right. My only constraint is I just wrote a check for $80K for the car, and I'm not too interested in writing another one to fix a mediocre sound system.
When you run a lower impedance speaker than an amplifier is intended to use it makes it "easier" for the amp to push power. This means the amp can be overdriven and may burn out the IC's. This represents a worst case possibility. So if you think you're likely to push the system hard alot then you're safer with a 4 ohm instead of a 2 ohm driver. But honestly, if you plan to push this system that hard it's going to sound like crap no matter what you do.. so you may as well rip it out and start over.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKomoman
.. so you may as well rip it out and start over.
I'm getting closer to doing just that! Thanks again for your expertise.
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