Alpine 9857 help
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Racer
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From: Davenport IA
Alpine 9857 help
So the first stereo install I did was with an Alpine H/U approx 6-7 years ago. That H/U cost me around $500 and was packed full of features including HP and LP filters when the subwoofer output was turned on.
My current 9857 doesn't seem to have these features, but I'm wondering if they somehow are automated and do not attempt to push the high frequencies through the sub out.
Anybody have any experience with this head unit. The manual has been little help thus far. I was able to turn off the internal amplifier since I'm using the front preout and sub preout to send the signal to power my sub and components with a Polk C400.4.
I have the filters turned off on my amp but it seems like I'm getting voices from my sub... maybe I'm just having a hard time distinguishing the sounds though.
Do I need to run the filters on the amp or does the h/u have built in cross overs?
Thanks!
Jay
My current 9857 doesn't seem to have these features, but I'm wondering if they somehow are automated and do not attempt to push the high frequencies through the sub out.
Anybody have any experience with this head unit. The manual has been little help thus far. I was able to turn off the internal amplifier since I'm using the front preout and sub preout to send the signal to power my sub and components with a Polk C400.4.
I have the filters turned off on my amp but it seems like I'm getting voices from my sub... maybe I'm just having a hard time distinguishing the sounds though.
Do I need to run the filters on the amp or does the h/u have built in cross overs?
Thanks!
Jay
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St. Jude Donor '06
i dont see why your headunit wouldnt have crossover points. if not, then you may have to use the amp for that. Sorry i dont have any experience with that head unit.
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Sorry to say, the 9857 is about as useful as a brick. Alpine has really gone backwards every year since 2004.
2v outs, no EQ, no built in crossovers. It's like a glimpse back in time.
If its not too late, I'd return it and get a Pioneer, Clarion, Kenwood, or even JVC unit.
2v outs, no EQ, no built in crossovers. It's like a glimpse back in time.
If its not too late, I'd return it and get a Pioneer, Clarion, Kenwood, or even JVC unit.
Le Mans Master
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From: Skippack PA
St Jude Donor '13
I had my buddy buy one for the install we just did in his '02 Z28.. I cannot BELIEVE it doesn't have an adjustable crossover, but it doesn't. It's such a "duh" feature that I didn't even look to see if it did or didn't. It's got a sub out so of course it has crossover, my "old" 9851 does so that fancy 9857 must, right?
Subwoofer output, 2 "modes" one of which just increases the output of the sub for lower gain.. that's it. I don't even know if it is crossing over or not.
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Racer
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From: Davenport IA
This is really discouraging... I bought the Alpine knowing it had less features than previous years, but I figured it would at least have some of the major features.
If the iPod compatibility wasn't so good I would dump it, but I guess for now I'll just run the cross-overs on my amp and call it good...
What points would be good starting points? 80-100hz LP for my sub and maybe between 60-80 Hz HP for my MMC6500s?
Thanks!
Jay
If the iPod compatibility wasn't so good I would dump it, but I guess for now I'll just run the cross-overs on my amp and call it good...
What points would be good starting points? 80-100hz LP for my sub and maybe between 60-80 Hz HP for my MMC6500s?
Thanks!
Jay
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Yeah, just set your amp's filters.
I wish I knew what was going on over at Alpine. It doesn't make sense that they are running their product line into the ground like this. The 9857 should be $100, tops.
I wish I knew what was going on over at Alpine. It doesn't make sense that they are running their product line into the ground like this. The 9857 should be $100, tops.
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and this is the reason I still have my 9815 - 4volt out, high/low pass x-overs, aux input, EQ, and much, much more 
well, i'll have it until it gets sold on this forum... still building my Carpc...
well, i'll have it until it gets sold on this forum... still building my Carpc...
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From: Warrenville IL
Hey guys ....
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
Melting Slicks
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From: Spring Texas
Hey guys ....
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
http://www.alpine-europe.com/content...ue_2006_EN.pdf
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From: Bartlett Illinois
Hey guys ....
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
I am just up the street ( in Bartlett)
Thread Starter
Racer
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From: Davenport IA
Hey guys ....
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
GOOD NEWS !!!
I am an Alpine Dealer...
I can sadly agree with most of you--
Alpine had a price point to fill with BestBuy --
They have however --- Added CrossOvers to the new 2007 models --
and have some KILLEr new stuff on the way ...
Be patient ... It'll get better --
oh well... what are you going to do.
Jay
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Not true... I have the 9856 (different display than the 9857... features are the same) and while it does not have continuously adjustable crossovers, it does have selectable.
From Crutchfield's website on the 9857 (and 9856):
Bass Engine: Bass Engine functions provide control over your system, so you can tailor the sound to your personal tastes. Bass Engine includes the following functions:
Bass Control:
Bass Center Frequency: Select from 60Hz, 80Hz (default), 100Hz, or 120Hz
Bass Band Width (Q): Select from 1.25 (narrow) to 0.50 (wide)
Bass Level: Select from -7 to +10 (-14dB to +20dB in 2dB steps)
Treble Control:
Treble Center Frequency: Select from 7.5kHz, 10kHz (default), 12.5kHz or 15kHz
Treble Level: -7 to +7 (+/-14dB in 2dB steps)
Defeat On/Off: You can reset the unit to its factory default bass and treble settings by turning the Defeat function on.
From Crutchfield's website on the 9857 (and 9856):
Bass Engine: Bass Engine functions provide control over your system, so you can tailor the sound to your personal tastes. Bass Engine includes the following functions:
Bass Control:
Bass Center Frequency: Select from 60Hz, 80Hz (default), 100Hz, or 120Hz
Bass Band Width (Q): Select from 1.25 (narrow) to 0.50 (wide)
Bass Level: Select from -7 to +10 (-14dB to +20dB in 2dB steps)
Treble Control:
Treble Center Frequency: Select from 7.5kHz, 10kHz (default), 12.5kHz or 15kHz
Treble Level: -7 to +7 (+/-14dB in 2dB steps)
Defeat On/Off: You can reset the unit to its factory default bass and treble settings by turning the Defeat function on.
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From: Moline IL
Team Owner
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From: Sacramento CA
Not true... I have the 9856 (different display than the 9857... features are the same) and while it does not have continuously adjustable crossovers, it does have selectable.
From Crutchfield's website on the 9857 (and 9856):
Bass Engine: Bass Engine functions provide control over your system, so you can tailor the sound to your personal tastes. Bass Engine includes the following functions:
Bass Control:
Bass Center Frequency: Select from 60Hz, 80Hz (default), 100Hz, or 120Hz
Bass Band Width (Q): Select from 1.25 (narrow) to 0.50 (wide)
Bass Level: Select from -7 to +10 (-14dB to +20dB in 2dB steps)
Treble Control:
Treble Center Frequency: Select from 7.5kHz, 10kHz (default), 12.5kHz or 15kHz
Treble Level: -7 to +7 (+/-14dB in 2dB steps)
Defeat On/Off: You can reset the unit to its factory default bass and treble settings by turning the Defeat function on.
From Crutchfield's website on the 9857 (and 9856):
Bass Engine: Bass Engine functions provide control over your system, so you can tailor the sound to your personal tastes. Bass Engine includes the following functions:
Bass Control:
Bass Center Frequency: Select from 60Hz, 80Hz (default), 100Hz, or 120Hz
Bass Band Width (Q): Select from 1.25 (narrow) to 0.50 (wide)
Bass Level: Select from -7 to +10 (-14dB to +20dB in 2dB steps)
Treble Control:
Treble Center Frequency: Select from 7.5kHz, 10kHz (default), 12.5kHz or 15kHz
Treble Level: -7 to +7 (+/-14dB in 2dB steps)
Defeat On/Off: You can reset the unit to its factory default bass and treble settings by turning the Defeat function on.
Le Mans Master
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St Jude Donor '13
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From: Moline IL
Hmm... interesting. I just went out to my car and I do have the crossover set to LP on my amp. I could have sworn the 2 preouts for the sub on the head unit had a crossover built in, but maybe you are right. 
FWIW, when I set my system up, I thought it sounded like crap, but with some time (hours of fiddling and listening) I got it to where I'm really happy with it. The Alpine manual sucks at explaining what everything does though.
I bought the head unit primarily for the iPod functionality. Is there any other head unit that has better iPod functionality than the Alpine?
FWIW, when I set my system up, I thought it sounded like crap, but with some time (hours of fiddling and listening) I got it to where I'm really happy with it. The Alpine manual sucks at explaining what everything does though.
I bought the head unit primarily for the iPod functionality. Is there any other head unit that has better iPod functionality than the Alpine?
Team Owner
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From: Sacramento CA
I think the Pioneer 7800 has better features by a landslide, and hte ipod control is very similar to the native ipod controls.
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Racer
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I found that I couldn't control the joystick on the pioneer nearly as well as I would have liked... I kept making it acuate the wrong axis...