Need some help....
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Melting Slicks
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From: Dix Hills, NY
Need some help....
A while back I added a system to my C5vert (mods in sig). I am not real happy with sound from front speakers- thinking maybe its the installation. The midbass is just not there for me. Does anyone make a kit to mount my speakers in the door? I have the diamond drivers in addition to the mb quart drivers. Thanks
Cruising
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From: bridgeville pa
Re: Need some help.... (WildWolf)
i'm not to familiar with C5's, but have you thought about kick panels? you could fit a 5 1/4 or a 6 1/2 in there. I just made some for my C3 a few weeks ago out of wood and fiberglass. if ya want to learn how, email me and i'd be happy to give ya some instructions.
email: theyleftme@poop.com
email: theyleftme@poop.com
Safety Car
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From: Windermere FL
Re: Need some help.... (WildWolf)
The weakest part of your system is the amps. If the speakers are the correct size for the stock holes, they shouldn't be a problem. You really shouldn't need a kit to install them. They may have poor power. Make sure the speakers are mounted tightly and have a good seal where they connect to the panel. Also make sure you have good wires run for them. (RCAs, amp power and speaker.)
Which amp do you have for them and do you have the same kind front and rear? If you do, I would upgrade the amp. Eclypse and MTX are average at best and the speakers are good quality. Also, what are you using for a crossover on the front speakers? Are you using the amp or the deck and at what frequency is it set?
92TripleBlack :cheers:
Which amp do you have for them and do you have the same kind front and rear? If you do, I would upgrade the amp. Eclypse and MTX are average at best and the speakers are good quality. Also, what are you using for a crossover on the front speakers? Are you using the amp or the deck and at what frequency is it set?
92TripleBlack :cheers:
Melting Slicks
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From: Satellite Beach, FL, USA
Re: Need some help.... (92TripleBlack)
Lack of power is not your problem. How the system was designed is.
The location of the C5 speakers is very poor. The rear speakers are not in a sealed enclosure limiting low frequency response and they don't radiate at the passengers. The fronts radiate at you legs. This is very bad for upper mids and highs.
You need to open up your doors and see how everything is mounted.
The location of the C5 speakers is very poor. The rear speakers are not in a sealed enclosure limiting low frequency response and they don't radiate at the passengers. The fronts radiate at you legs. This is very bad for upper mids and highs.
You need to open up your doors and see how everything is mounted.
Safety Car
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From: Windermere FL
Re: Need some help.... (99HT)
As I said, the speakers they need to have a tight seal. I've never worked on C5 doors but most manufacturer's doors are sealed well enough for typical installations. The object is to get a good seal from the inside of the car to the inside of the door. If you find the sealing is questionable, you can always fabircate boxes out of 1/2" MDF and mount them in the doors behind the speakers if you have the room. If you don't you will need to devise other methods of plugging the holes.
In the rear, it should be fairly easy to seal the enclosures. Look inside, see where the leaks are and plug them. Mids don't need to be housed as concretely as a sub so you shouldn't need to build a box. Auto carpet padding or Beutle rubber can plug most small holes well enough without having to cut. If you have more than a small hole or crack, make and mount a piece of MDF to seal the location.
You said you had problems with your mids. Are you having problems with your highs as well as 99HT has mentioned? If this is the case, the easiest solution for the highs is to mount a tweeter seperately from the mids in a better location, usually high on the front of the door is a good spot. You said though your problem was with mid bass. This is not as directional as the others. The actual location of the mid in the door shouldn't affect the midbass performance that much. The seal is the #1 thing to worry about.
Lastly, I didnt say you didn't have enough power, I said the power was the weakest link in the system. The amps are fair to average in quality. If you got a higher quality amp, it will definitely give you a cleaner flatter sound and you may find it sounding warmer and more robust. You will also find it crisper as better amps can deliver a shot of power more cleanly and quickly usually than other amps. Regardless of the power output, better amps will make your system sound better, but only if they are working with other good products.
Lastly, open her up and see what the installers have done. I have seen other installers say they are using monster wire, run the wire from the amp to the carpet, and then splice in cheap wire from the carpet to the speakers. I have seen speakers with only one screw installed to hold it in place. And I have seen everything done correctly but the padding over the stock speaker cover was never removed so it was blocking the speakers from projecting throught the pannel. Check it out. It should sound good if it was properly installed.
:cheers: :smash:
In the rear, it should be fairly easy to seal the enclosures. Look inside, see where the leaks are and plug them. Mids don't need to be housed as concretely as a sub so you shouldn't need to build a box. Auto carpet padding or Beutle rubber can plug most small holes well enough without having to cut. If you have more than a small hole or crack, make and mount a piece of MDF to seal the location.
You said you had problems with your mids. Are you having problems with your highs as well as 99HT has mentioned? If this is the case, the easiest solution for the highs is to mount a tweeter seperately from the mids in a better location, usually high on the front of the door is a good spot. You said though your problem was with mid bass. This is not as directional as the others. The actual location of the mid in the door shouldn't affect the midbass performance that much. The seal is the #1 thing to worry about.
Lastly, I didnt say you didn't have enough power, I said the power was the weakest link in the system. The amps are fair to average in quality. If you got a higher quality amp, it will definitely give you a cleaner flatter sound and you may find it sounding warmer and more robust. You will also find it crisper as better amps can deliver a shot of power more cleanly and quickly usually than other amps. Regardless of the power output, better amps will make your system sound better, but only if they are working with other good products.
Lastly, open her up and see what the installers have done. I have seen other installers say they are using monster wire, run the wire from the amp to the carpet, and then splice in cheap wire from the carpet to the speakers. I have seen speakers with only one screw installed to hold it in place. And I have seen everything done correctly but the padding over the stock speaker cover was never removed so it was blocking the speakers from projecting throught the pannel. Check it out. It should sound good if it was properly installed.
:cheers: :smash:
