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Old Feb 21, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Trying to decide if its going to be worth the extra money in my 98 vert. give me some opinions between a good 6.5" component setup and a 8"/4"?/tweet setup. planning on at least 1 10" sub, possibly 2.
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Originally Posted by vetteman9368
Trying to decide if its going to be worth the extra money in my 98 vert. give me some opinions between a good 6.5" component setup and a 8"/4"?/tweet setup. planning on at least 1 10" sub, possibly 2.

how about a 7" or 8" 2-way setup?

what's your budget?
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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how about a 7" or 8" 2-way setup?

what's your budget?
well i guess that's possible. Budget is midrange. I'm buying pieces as I can and once i have it all I will install it.
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 12:39 AM
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if you are going to have a sub, or even 2 as you said, 3-ways seem to be overkill. i'd stick with the 2way 6.5" and a tweet or a 7 or 8" like someone else said.
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a 3 way isn't overkill. the 8" bass will handle frequencies down to ~50-60hz and the sub will handle anything below that.

what is midrange btw? have a certain dollar amount in mind? mind buying used?
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 02:13 AM
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In my eyes, this decision is pretty easy. Ask yourself these four questions:

1. How "in to" audio are you on a scale of 1-10?
2. Do you plan on installing this system once and never changing anything ever again?
3. Do you enjoy tuning stereos?
4. Active or passive?

If you want a 3 way front stage these should be your answers:
1. 8 or higher
2. No
3. Yes
4. Active

If you did not know what I was asking in question 4 you should have a 2 way setup IMO.

This may seem a bit generalized or even a bit harsh, and trust me it is not intended to be. I have been a 9 or 10 for question 1 for 15+ years now. I just did my first 3 way front stage this year after dozens of installs and at least 60 stereo tunes of all shapes and sizes. And to be honest I have a lot to learn just to finish tuning my own set up.


I highly recommend that you look at doing a nice 7 or 8" midbass with a large format tweet (basically a home system type tweeter). From there you get yourself either a nice 4 channel amp with built in crossovers, 5 channel amp if you want to add a sub, or a 4 channel and a 2 channel and I promise good results .. hell I will even help you tune it by phone or PM.


Another way would be to pick up a nice pre-packaged 8"/tweet combo from someone like DLS or Dynaudio. Would fill out our factory doors nicely and you could do a simple 3 channel amp set up with a sub in a system like that. Buy a 4 channel and bridge 2 to the sub, 2 to the front components, set your lowpass on your sub and your highpass on your midrange and let the passives handle the rest and you are gtg.

Hope I helped

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Originally Posted by scott_fx
a 3 way isn't overkill. the 8" bass will handle frequencies down to ~50-60hz and the sub will handle anything below that.

what is midrange btw? have a certain dollar amount in mind? mind buying used?
well i guess to me midrange means I'm not putting $3k amps in the car, and I'm not using a $600 sub. I am willing to spend decent money on speakers ($400ish for a 2 way compnent), I'm not in a hurry so I can buy pieces as I can afford it. And I can always swap stuff out
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Originally Posted by fej
In my eyes, this decision is pretty easy. Ask yourself these four questions:

1. How "in to" audio are you on a scale of 1-10?on this car a 7
2. Do you plan on installing this system once and never changing anything ever again? I've never not changed anything in my life
3. Do you enjoy tuning stereos? its not a hobby but yes
4. Active or passive? I was planning an active 1/2 din crossover/preamp

If you want a 3 way front stage these should be your answers:
1. 8 or higher
2. No
3. Yes
4. Active

If you did not know what I was asking in question 4 you should have a 2 way setup IMO.

This may seem a bit generalized or even a bit harsh, and trust me it is not intended to be. I have been a 9 or 10 for question 1 for 15+ years now. I just did my first 3 way front stage this year after dozens of installs and at least 60 stereo tunes of all shapes and sizes. And to be honest I have a lot to learn just to finish tuning my own set up.


I highly recommend that you look at doing a nice 7 or 8" midbass with a large format tweet (basically a home system type tweeter). From there you get yourself either a nice 4 channel amp with built in crossovers, 5 channel amp if you want to add a sub, or a 4 channel and a 2 channel and I promise good results .. hell I will even help you tune it by phone or PM.


Another way would be to pick up a nice pre-packaged 8"/tweet combo from someone like DLS or Dynaudio. Would fill out our factory doors nicely and you could do a simple 3 channel amp set up with a sub in a system like that. Buy a 4 channel and bridge 2 to the sub, 2 to the front components, set your lowpass on your sub and your highpass on your midrange and let the passives handle the rest and you are gtg.

Hope I helped

Fej
I appreciate the input. My HU also has crossovers built into it but if I use the preamp I probably won't need it.
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I am in the process of doing a system for under $700.

New Subs 2-10” Infinity reference 1050w – Crutchfield.com - $106.
New Sub box stealth 2 - 10”– Install & wire subs - (NVTHIS) $160.
New Profile AP1000M – (Ebay) -$106
New Profile AP740 – (Ebay) - $90
New Infinity Reference 6010cs Components – (Ebay) - $101.
Wires – Knukonceptz.com - 2 - 4ga kits w/ all wire $63
New HU Adapter – (Ebay) - $41.
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So, you don't need to spend thousands to get good quality sound. You can, but do not have to. IMHO

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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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A good 3 way setup in the doors is a very pactical way of getting quality sound. If you mount your amp(s) behind the seats you retain all of your cargo space and have a stealthy little concert hall. granted 8" woofers won't bump as much as their 10-12" counterparts but if you're looking for SQ then it's an excellent route to go.

If you do go this route, i strongly suggest modification to the door so you can position the speakers at an angle optimum for the best sound stage. especially the tweets and midrange.
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fej
In my eyes, this decision is pretty easy. Ask yourself these four questions:

1. How "in to" audio are you on a scale of 1-10?
2. Do you plan on installing this system once and never changing anything ever again?
3. Do you enjoy tuning stereos?
4. Active or passive?

If you want a 3 way front stage these should be your answers:
1. 8 or higher
2. No
3. Yes
4. Active

If you did not know what I was asking in question 4 you should have a 2 way setup IMO.

This may seem a bit generalized or even a bit harsh, and trust me it is not intended to be. I have been a 9 or 10 for question 1 for 15+ years now. I just did my first 3 way front stage this year after dozens of installs and at least 60 stereo tunes of all shapes and sizes. And to be honest I have a lot to learn just to finish tuning my own set up.


I highly recommend that you look at doing a nice 7 or 8" midbass with a large format tweet (basically a home system type tweeter). From there you get yourself either a nice 4 channel amp with built in crossovers, 5 channel amp if you want to add a sub, or a 4 channel and a 2 channel and I promise good results .. hell I will even help you tune it by phone or PM.


Another way would be to pick up a nice pre-packaged 8"/tweet combo from someone like DLS or Dynaudio. Would fill out our factory doors nicely and you could do a simple 3 channel amp set up with a sub in a system like that. Buy a 4 channel and bridge 2 to the sub, 2 to the front components, set your lowpass on your sub and your highpass on your midrange and let the passives handle the rest and you are gtg.

Hope I helped

Fej
as usual. I am a 9 for question 1 and i'm still going with a two way active set up. (7' mid/large format tweet)

Originally Posted by vetteman9368
well i guess to me midrange means I'm not putting $3k amps in the car, and I'm not using a $600 sub. I am willing to spend decent money on speakers ($400ish for a 2 way compnent), I'm not in a hurry so I can buy pieces as I can afford it. And I can always swap stuff out
I'd look for a set of used focal or dyn's (depending on what sound you like) on ebay for $400 unless you want to go active then your options explode. you could go with a seas/hiquphon set up for $350 new

Originally Posted by screw991le

So, you don't need to spend thousands to get good quality sound. You can, but do not have to. IMHO
you'll net more gains from a proper install then expensive equipment (within reason) A bad install with great equipment will sound worse then a great install with inexpensive equipment.

Originally Posted by TheRadioFlyer
A good 3 way setup in the doors is a very pactical way of getting quality sound. If you mount your amp(s) behind the seats you retain all of your cargo space and have a stealthy little concert hall. granted 8" woofers won't bump as much as their 10-12" counterparts but if you're looking for SQ then it's an excellent route to go.
i have to disagree with you on this one. the 8" woofers in the doors aren't going to be handling sub bass duty like a dedicated sealed sub. if you're looking for sq then a sub is a must. As Fej has noted, anything below 63hz in the door will require a lot of attention to sound good. With the addition of the sub you are getting down to 20hz and covering the complete range of audible sound (generally speaking again)

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If you do go this route, i strongly suggest modification to the door so you can position the speakers at an angle optimum for the best sound stage. especially the tweets and midrange.
eatrice can attest to this.
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