wow... we are lucky
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Le Mans Master
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wow... we are lucky
So I recently purchased a daily driver/beater so I dont have to ride my bike as much so I purchased a volvo s60 t5. I just checked out the volvo forums and....HOLLY $#@! that forum blows. It's a joke and one member in particular should not be giving advice but seems he's the only that does. 
It's nice having a great community over here with knowledgeable members
It's nice having a great community over here with knowledgeable members
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example?
Sometimes its amazing the things some people do on some forums and get "cool, you dont need a fuse anyway" or "ya maybe ground your power block to the frame too" kinda stuff
Sometimes its amazing the things some people do on some forums and get "cool, you dont need a fuse anyway" or "ya maybe ground your power block to the frame too" kinda stuff
Last edited by Kale; Dec 3, 2007 at 09:47 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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how about this:
I played with a couple ideas in my 240 and the one that worked the best was to put all the door speakers on the front channel, a couple 6x9s on the rear channel (you'll have to come up with a way of mounting them to the back shelf), a 10" sub on a 240-300 watt amp on the rear channel RCA outputs and 2 12" subs on an at least 760 watt amp off the SubWoofer RCA output. All those subs are NOT about loud *** bass...they're about quality of sound and covering all your bases and lower frequencies.
If this is your first system, you won't need to spend more than $1300 to get it dialed in. The most important thing is to get a HIGH quality head unit...it's the brain of the system. Research them and try to find one that has an internal amp that you can shut off...and maybe a time alignment feature or an auto EQ. Once you get more familiar with what you're listening for, you'll come to a few concussions.....namely that a bitching system uses amps-only for sound...not the HU. But for now, use the HU.
If this is your first system, you won't need to spend more than $1300 to get it dialed in. The most important thing is to get a HIGH quality head unit...it's the brain of the system. Research them and try to find one that has an internal amp that you can shut off...and maybe a time alignment feature or an auto EQ. Once you get more familiar with what you're listening for, you'll come to a few concussions.....namely that a bitching system uses amps-only for sound...not the HU. But for now, use the HU.
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I think i saw it last night....either that or it was a diesel
Having been a member of several other forums, I find that in general the quality of the people that are forum members is directly proportional to the passion they have for their vehicle. example: chevytruckworld has a lot of guy who absolutely love their trucks and it shows. Corvette however is a completely different level of love.
Having been a member of several other forums, I find that in general the quality of the people that are forum members is directly proportional to the passion they have for their vehicle. example: chevytruckworld has a lot of guy who absolutely love their trucks and it shows. Corvette however is a completely different level of love.
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Le Mans Master
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it doesn't end:
ORIGINAL: cbevis
The benefit of having a sub on the rear channel and subs on the sub woofer channel was gaining more pronounced bass and a different set of criteria for that bass. Depending on the specs of your HU, the SW channel is going to have an internal HPF that cuts out everything higher than 83 Htz...which isn't enough frequency to break out of that lower octave you mentioned. You eluded to the condition that most music has more than one octave of bass in it. Having a 10 on the rear channel allows you to hit all of those octaves since there typically is no HPF on that channel. (unless you've got a higher end HU)
True enough for anything bigger than a 4" speaker. However, at 50 watts per channel (closer to 20 watts RMS) in most standard head units, there's more than enough power to go around to push two speakers per channel.
Also, treble isn't directional like bass is. as long as you have something on that rear channel after the fact, balancing it out properly is a non issue. Not to mention that the speaker location for the rear channel in the 240 is crap...those speakers do no good back there so you may as well piggy back them to the front.
Agreed. No need to go over board if it's your first install. The set up I had in my car was 2 or 3 years in the making and trial and error. And it wasn't about loud, it was about refinement, trial and error, and curriousity. I started out similar to scott_fx.....one 10" sub on a 200 Watt amp and a blown front right speaker lmao! But it sounded AWESOME at the time!
ORIGINAL: scott_fx
I would never put a 10 and two 12's in a car. it'll cause more headaches then anything else.
I would never put a 10 and two 12's in a car. it'll cause more headaches then anything else.
ORIGINAL: scott_fx
Also, dont put all the speakers on one chan.
Also, dont put all the speakers on one chan.
Also, treble isn't directional like bass is. as long as you have something on that rear channel after the fact, balancing it out properly is a non issue. Not to mention that the speaker location for the rear channel in the 240 is crap...those speakers do no good back there so you may as well piggy back them to the front.
ORIGINAL: scott_fx
My old system (has since been upgraded though) in my other car had a single 12" in a sealed box, a set of components up front, no rear speakers and a 3 chan amp, 75watts to the components and 300 watts to the sub. The system rocked with a relatively small investment, with the right music the 12 would push air past my head. granted it was a much smaller car and there was no divider between the trunk and the cabin... but you get my drift. you dont need to go over the top with speakers to get good sound. less is more. You'll get much better results by spending time on the install rather then blowing your wad on components. If you want to get crazy... we can talk about that too. You next step would be to run fully active and tune the system to your specific ride.
My old system (has since been upgraded though) in my other car had a single 12" in a sealed box, a set of components up front, no rear speakers and a 3 chan amp, 75watts to the components and 300 watts to the sub. The system rocked with a relatively small investment, with the right music the 12 would push air past my head. granted it was a much smaller car and there was no divider between the trunk and the cabin... but you get my drift. you dont need to go over the top with speakers to get good sound. less is more. You'll get much better results by spending time on the install rather then blowing your wad on components. If you want to get crazy... we can talk about that too. You next step would be to run fully active and tune the system to your specific ride.
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Umm .. WTF.
Bet that sounds worse than the factory blose, but since he is "covering his bases" I am sure it sounds great in the bass region
I think we should all join the volvo forums and knock that guy back into 1976 where his advice comes from.
I bet he has one of those "worst install" photos on the net
Fej
Bet that sounds worse than the factory blose, but since he is "covering his bases" I am sure it sounds great in the bass region
I think we should all join the volvo forums and knock that guy back into 1976 where his advice comes from.
I bet he has one of those "worst install" photos on the net
Fej
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Le Mans Master
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kale.. you'll love this:
we had a great discussion about the 10 v 12 thing on this forum, i wish i couild find it.
I know he's going to find this.... always my luck, just like that ebay guy.
excuse me...I meant LPF. Aside from that... my point still stands. a 10" sounds better at 70 to 100 htz than a 12 does IMO. and it IS just that. My opinion. Just like it's your opinion that a 12" should be able to play anything down to 60 (this was a typo on my part, i meant to say 100) htz accurately. Again...IMO....I think 12s are better suited to 60-80 htz...or there abouts. no mater what your experience with this stuff might be , it's all going to come down to personal preference.
Do you know what the impedance is on old stock volvo speakers? You can say I'm wrong all you want but you should check that out and try it for yourself, in an old 240 like he's got. It works/sounds great. I'm guessing probably because we're not talking about a lot watts or amps to run those speakers.
Treble vs bass....which is more directional.....I can find about ten articles that contradict each other but given your example I'm inclined to agree. I'm remembering a debate I got into about this some years ago....conclussion was pretty much the same.
My comment about your first system wasn't meant to insult. Like you, I've got a few system installs under my belt....there's always something to learn. Some people go low tech, others go high. Some people go less equipment some go more. There's no ONE right way to do this....but plenty of wrong ways.
Do you know what the impedance is on old stock volvo speakers? You can say I'm wrong all you want but you should check that out and try it for yourself, in an old 240 like he's got. It works/sounds great. I'm guessing probably because we're not talking about a lot watts or amps to run those speakers.
Treble vs bass....which is more directional.....I can find about ten articles that contradict each other but given your example I'm inclined to agree. I'm remembering a debate I got into about this some years ago....conclussion was pretty much the same.
My comment about your first system wasn't meant to insult. Like you, I've got a few system installs under my belt....there's always something to learn. Some people go low tech, others go high. Some people go less equipment some go more. There's no ONE right way to do this....but plenty of wrong ways.
I know he's going to find this.... always my luck, just like that ebay guy.
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oh lord I'd like to see the article that says bass is directional and "treble" is not... 
I dont know why people cross subs over 80hz anyway... That's what midbass speakers are for.
I'd like to see the article that says bass is directional and "treble" is not... I dont know why people cross subs over 80hz anyway... That's what midbass speakers are for.
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Whoa, I feel dumber after reading those posts. Thanks for the laugh. That's almost just as bad as the time I saw someone's who installed their speakers using foil and bubble gum to hold the speaker wire in place, instead of soldering it onto the terminals. (and I’m not making this up!)
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Le Mans Master
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Whoa, I feel dumber after reading those posts. Thanks for the laugh. That's almost just as bad as the time I saw someone's who installed their speakers using foil and bubble gum to hold the speaker wire in place, instead of soldering it onto the terminals. (and I’m not making this up!)
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Whoa, I feel dumber after reading those posts. Thanks for the laugh. That's almost just as bad as the time I saw someone's who installed their speakers using foil and bubble gum to hold the speaker wire in place, instead of soldering it onto the terminals. (and I’m not making this up!)
Wish I had used gum!
But I got it fixed. Just in time to put my driver through the surround while mounting it.
