wanting a clean subwoofer
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Instructor
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From: Tinley Park IL
wanting a clean subwoofer
Dennis is putting together a great package for me and Im down to the sub. Focal 165 compents in front no rears. Which would you chose....
CVR 12 Kicker of a KS arc audio. Any input is greatly appreciated. I dont listen to rap, just rock and roll and guitar song writer. If that helps. I know alot of guys go with the JL audio, where does that sit with the other two.
CVR 12 Kicker of a KS arc audio. Any input is greatly appreciated. I dont listen to rap, just rock and roll and guitar song writer. If that helps. I know alot of guys go with the JL audio, where does that sit with the other two.
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How clean your sub will be:
50% Install (Box, location)
30% Tuning (Crossover point, phase)
10% Proper Power
10% Subwoofer Choice
Everything equal, subs do sound different from one another. The ARC sub will sound better than the kicker sub.*
*I've only heard the ID built ARc subs, which were very, very good drivers. I'm not sure who is building them now, but I'd trust they wouldn't put their name on a bad sounding sub.
50% Install (Box, location)
30% Tuning (Crossover point, phase)
10% Proper Power
10% Subwoofer Choice
Everything equal, subs do sound different from one another. The ARC sub will sound better than the kicker sub.*
*I've only heard the ID built ARc subs, which were very, very good drivers. I'm not sure who is building them now, but I'd trust they wouldn't put their name on a bad sounding sub.
Pro
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From: Walnut Creek CA
I'd go with the arc sub in a 10" and mount in the center cubby location - plenty of room.
A 12" sub in the vette will have a lot of pounding, wide bass where the 10" gives you a cleaner, punchier sound. If really like hip-hop or dance music, go with the 12"; if you like a wider variety of music or are more of a rock fan, go with the 10".
A 12" sub in the vette will have a lot of pounding, wide bass where the 10" gives you a cleaner, punchier sound. If really like hip-hop or dance music, go with the 12"; if you like a wider variety of music or are more of a rock fan, go with the 10".
Cruising
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Though a 12' will technically have more output and a bit lower Freq response (typically not usefull unless you are listening to very dynamics recordings of Classical or Jazz), a 10" sub will play well below what most modern recordings are doing espically in the realm of Rock, Pop, hip hip, rap, country ect.
As Kale mentioned they will also typically require .25 to .5 cu.ft. smaller enclosure.
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From: Tinley Park IL
10 inch
I was thinking that a 12 might be overkill. So it sounds like the KS 10 is a better buy than the kicker CVR 10. Will the roof being back there hold up a lot of bass and then Im wishing I got the 12?
Former Vendor
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From: Morgan Utah
I would use the Arc 10 or 12 over any other sub in the price range or near it, period, ID and Arc are the only subs I have used in many years because they are one of the few with accurate reproduction.
ID engineered the Arc subs but Arc took over production at a local, yes US, facility to keep up with demand.
I have them in 4 installs and 4 ID 15s in my home system and two in my band room monster horn loaded system.
I have not tested the KS series, the KS mini amps are superb, the regular size is a dang fine amp for the cost....just never tested the KS subs.
Rick
ID engineered the Arc subs but Arc took over production at a local, yes US, facility to keep up with demand.
I have them in 4 installs and 4 ID 15s in my home system and two in my band room monster horn loaded system.
I have not tested the KS series, the KS mini amps are superb, the regular size is a dang fine amp for the cost....just never tested the KS subs.
Rick
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From: Hazel Green, Wi www.doubledmods.com
St. Jude Donor '12-'13
The Arc or Kicker sub box combo is 189.99
FOcal subs are way more than he wants to spend on the project
Focal 165kr
ARC xdi805
looks like the ARC sub box combo
Kenwood kiv 901bt
amps wiring door plates everything around 1350.00 shipped if i recall
I ran out of time to email him the invoice today
FOcal subs are way more than he wants to spend on the project
Focal 165kr
ARC xdi805
looks like the ARC sub box combo
Kenwood kiv 901bt
amps wiring door plates everything around 1350.00 shipped if i recall
I ran out of time to email him the invoice today
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Instructor
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From: Tinley Park IL
arc it sounds like
So if I go with the arc 10 or 12. Do I get the 12 because Ill have more bass in reserve if I want it or go with the ten. If the 10 is going to be cleaner then maybe the 10. Any advice would be appreciated, so far people are saying go with the ten, but some say you have the room go with the 12.
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Focal subs sound nice all right, but I wouldn't own one. =)
A 12 will be louder than a 10 given the same power, generally. But it requires a bigger box. And it weighs more.
a 10 is not "cleaner" than a 12 unless you comparing extremely low quality drivers.
Using a 12 myself... IDMAX in the car currently at 375w. I've gone back and forth with another 12, but so far it's my favorite sub I've ever heard.
A 12 will be louder than a 10 given the same power, generally. But it requires a bigger box. And it weighs more.
a 10 is not "cleaner" than a 12 unless you comparing extremely low quality drivers.
Using a 12 myself... IDMAX in the car currently at 375w. I've gone back and forth with another 12, but so far it's my favorite sub I've ever heard.
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From: Ohio
12
I just did a complete install in my (dad's) 92 Vert. If I could have squeezed 12's I would have. I massaged 10's in there. Like you said, with a 12 it's there if you want it.
IMO you will be happy no matter what, but once in a while it's hilarious watching passengers laugh when a bass note vibrates their insides! Go 12!
IMO you will be happy no matter what, but once in a while it's hilarious watching passengers laugh when a bass note vibrates their insides! Go 12!
Melting Slicks
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I went single 12" IDQ in my vette is a custom 1/2" baltic birch stealth box made by Marv at about .78cu^3 (google marv's boxes, he makes great stuff). The magnet clears the hump in the cubby by about 1/4".
Sounds great, very accurate on 270w. Plenty of bass for Outkast to the Eagles and everything in between. I generally opt for moving more air. More cone area = more air
Fej
Sounds great, very accurate on 270w. Plenty of bass for Outkast to the Eagles and everything in between. I generally opt for moving more air. More cone area = more air
Fej
Cruising
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Just so everyone is aware if this has not been mentioned yet, Image Dynamics IDQ and ID max subs will likely not be the same as what most of you have and are accustomed to. the founder Eric Stevens recently had to walk away from the company due to conflicts with his partner over an attempted buy out (of the partner) ID is now completely controlled by Power Bass and these subs are likely not to be hand assemebled any longer, they will be mass assembled by machines in Tiawan or Korea somewhere. Thus reducing the build quality and tolerance specifications we are used to. (former ID fan and Competition Team member myself) and unfortunately unless you know the person you are buying the gear from you will not likely know if you are getting pre or post take over units.
Former Vendor
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From: Morgan Utah
That is one reason I sold out all my ID inventory right after this happened. I was on the phone with Eric on Sunday, he thought the buyout was finally going to happen on Monday, the partner tried to screw him again so he just walked away.
Many very very respected people in this industry and hobby will no longer buy from that company, I have seen many supporting posts for Eric and statements about not buying there.
Rick
Many very very respected people in this industry and hobby will no longer buy from that company, I have seen many supporting posts for Eric and statements about not buying there.
Rick