Components - 2 ways or 3 way
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Components - 2 ways or 3 way
According to a local shop, there is no advantage to get 3-ways ... he said that they were only made because some German cars used them in a past.
What are the major differences?
The install is in a C5 Corvette...
No rear speakers will be installed ...
There is a budget so cost would allow high quality 2-ways ....
2-ways: MB Quart 218.61Q , Focal PolyKevlar's 165 ..
3-ways: MB Quart PSD316 , Focal PolyGlass 165V3 ..
These are the speakers I am considering, I have a local shop which will give me a deal on these, and they will keep me in my budget ...
The amp will be a 300/4 JL Audio , most likely bi-amping any of them except the PolyGlass 165V3's ....
Thanks ...
What are the major differences?
The install is in a C5 Corvette...
No rear speakers will be installed ...
There is a budget so cost would allow high quality 2-ways ....
2-ways: MB Quart 218.61Q , Focal PolyKevlar's 165 ..
3-ways: MB Quart PSD316 , Focal PolyGlass 165V3 ..
These are the speakers I am considering, I have a local shop which will give me a deal on these, and they will keep me in my budget ...
The amp will be a 300/4 JL Audio , most likely bi-amping any of them except the PolyGlass 165V3's ....
Thanks ...
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NewVetteLover)
With a 2 way design there is a compromise in that a single speaker has to fill the dual role of midrange & woofer. In a 3 way system there is a separate driver handling each of those chores and they are both better suited to deliver their narrower frequency range than a single speaker possibly can. Having a dedicated (smaller) mid driver is the real benefit, larger diameter speakers do not reproduce the critical midrange frequencies as accurately as smaller drivers.
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (buddha)
Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (JoeyG)
Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NewVetteLover)
Noel from AutoBuffs 3 way setup looks reallygood :yesnod: , all included in door plate. I went with a radical approach which gets me buy but won't win any beauty contests. :rolleyes:
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[Modified by JoeyG, 7:15 PM 7/6/2002]
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (JoeyG)
Noel from AutoBuffs 3 way setup looks reallygood :yesnod: , all included in door plate. I went with a radical approach which gets me buy but won't win any beauty contests. :rolleyes:
[Modified by JoeyG, 7:15 PM 7/6/2002]
[Modified by JoeyG, 7:15 PM 7/6/2002]
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (buddha)
First question is whether you're going to use a sub; if not you're going to need the largest drivers you can fit (6.5 / 8 round or 6x9) to get some bass. In that case you'd definitely want something smaller 4-5" for the midrange and a 3way is warranted.
If you're using a sub (which you ought to be if you post to this forum ;) ) you don't need a big mid/woofer; a 5.25" paired with a tweeter that reaches down to 2kHz or so is perfect. Remember- the fewer x-overs the better; even well-designed ones will shift phase/group delay. Roll the midbass off gradually (6dB/oct) and the tweeter sharper to protect it (18dB/oct). Also the more drivers you have the more difficult it is to mount them all so they approximate a point source (for imaging); and their arrival times at your ear coincide. You might also look at coincidentally mounted components- they look like typical 2 or 3way but are built with good drivers and require external x-overs. I think MBQuart and Vifa have them.
I've never used anything but 2ways + sub; always worked fine for everything from classical to jazz to rock (and even a little tiny bit of techno).
[Modified by gcrouse, 8:42 PM 7/6/2002]
If you're using a sub (which you ought to be if you post to this forum ;) ) you don't need a big mid/woofer; a 5.25" paired with a tweeter that reaches down to 2kHz or so is perfect. Remember- the fewer x-overs the better; even well-designed ones will shift phase/group delay. Roll the midbass off gradually (6dB/oct) and the tweeter sharper to protect it (18dB/oct). Also the more drivers you have the more difficult it is to mount them all so they approximate a point source (for imaging); and their arrival times at your ear coincide. You might also look at coincidentally mounted components- they look like typical 2 or 3way but are built with good drivers and require external x-overs. I think MBQuart and Vifa have them.
I've never used anything but 2ways + sub; always worked fine for everything from classical to jazz to rock (and even a little tiny bit of techno).
[Modified by gcrouse, 8:42 PM 7/6/2002]
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (gcrouse)
I understand that 2-ways are good ... and yes I am using a sub ... but I think 3-ways will still be helpful ... I have gotten a lot of responses on a car audio forum ... they said 3-ways will be better ... especially beause I have no rears ...
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NewVetteLover)
... the conclusion ...
oddly enough .... After posting this on many different forums, I have found out that either will be good ... but if I have the space 3-ways will help all around.
So I plan to get 3-way components ... now its only a matter of which ones ....
:confused:
oddly enough .... After posting this on many different forums, I have found out that either will be good ... but if I have the space 3-ways will help all around.
So I plan to get 3-way components ... now its only a matter of which ones ....
:confused:
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (92TripleBlack)
3way will sound better and cost more. If you can fit them easily and afford them, go for it.
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NewVetteLover)
For what its worth, I am a fanatic about this stuff and I returned the 3 ways in favor of the MB Quart 2-ways and a 12w7 sub. Phenominal sound!!!
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (JoeyG)
Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NassBlue)
Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
There is plenty of space... More control... Better sound, especially if not using rear fill!
There is plenty of space... More control... Better sound, especially if not using rear fill!
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NewVetteLover)
I know what you mwan about the x-over's... The BA's X-over is pretty big, Mb's are the better option of the two in my opinion :D
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Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (NassBlue)
I know what you mwan about the x-over's... The BA's X-over is pretty big, Mb's are the better option of the two in my opinion :D
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I have a pair of Canton RS3's. They are a 3 way system with a 6" bass, 4" mid and 1" tweets.
Now, Canton still sells a nice 3 way set, (or used to) as the 3.22 or 3.28.
http://www.cantonusa.com/oldweb/rs322.htm
http://www.cantonusa.com/oldweb/rs328.htm
These use the older Canton Pullman technology. A speaker, that in my opinion, sounds almost as nice as a Focal, and better than MB Quarts...
Personnally, MB Quarts are designed for SQ, and as such, are perfect on the graph, but just too flat for real rich sound.