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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 04:42 PM
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Default Components - 2 ways or 3 way

According to a local shop, there is no advantage to get 3-ways ... he said that they were only made because some German cars used them in a past.

What are the major differences?
The install is in a C5 Corvette...
No rear speakers will be installed ...
There is a budget so cost would allow high quality 2-ways ....

2-ways: MB Quart 218.61Q , Focal PolyKevlar's 165 ..
3-ways: MB Quart PSD316 , Focal PolyGlass 165V3 ..

These are the speakers I am considering, I have a local shop which will give me a deal on these, and they will keep me in my budget ...

The amp will be a 300/4 JL Audio , most likely bi-amping any of them except the PolyGlass 165V3's ....

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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 06:00 PM
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With a 2 way design there is a compromise in that a single speaker has to fill the dual role of midrange & woofer. In a 3 way system there is a separate driver handling each of those chores and they are both better suited to deliver their narrower frequency range than a single speaker possibly can. Having a dedicated (smaller) mid driver is the real benefit, larger diameter speakers do not reproduce the critical midrange frequencies as accurately as smaller drivers.
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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 07:43 PM
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Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 08:54 PM
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Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
I think that the space is there ... you just have to be smart about it ... or install the tweeters higher up in the pillars or in the door ...
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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 09:15 PM
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Noel from AutoBuffs 3 way setup looks reallygood :yesnod: , all included in door plate. I went with a radical approach which gets me buy but won't win any beauty contests. :rolleyes:


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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 09:55 PM
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Noel from AutoBuffs 3 way setup looks reallygood :yesnod: , all included in door plate. I went with a radical approach which gets me buy but won't win any beauty contests. :rolleyes:


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Yeah I saw the pics ... its looks good ... I think that its all a matter of space management ... they will fit ... I know of many that have 3 ways in smaller doors...
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Old Jul 6, 2002 | 11:39 PM
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Default Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (buddha)

First question is whether you're going to use a sub; if not you're going to need the largest drivers you can fit (6.5 / 8 round or 6x9) to get some bass. In that case you'd definitely want something smaller 4-5" for the midrange and a 3way is warranted.

If you're using a sub (which you ought to be if you post to this forum ;) ) you don't need a big mid/woofer; a 5.25" paired with a tweeter that reaches down to 2kHz or so is perfect. Remember- the fewer x-overs the better; even well-designed ones will shift phase/group delay. Roll the midbass off gradually (6dB/oct) and the tweeter sharper to protect it (18dB/oct). Also the more drivers you have the more difficult it is to mount them all so they approximate a point source (for imaging); and their arrival times at your ear coincide. You might also look at coincidentally mounted components- they look like typical 2 or 3way but are built with good drivers and require external x-overs. I think MBQuart and Vifa have them.

I've never used anything but 2ways + sub; always worked fine for everything from classical to jazz to rock (and even a little tiny bit of techno).


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Default Re: Components - 2 ways or 3 way (gcrouse)

I understand that 2-ways are good ... and yes I am using a sub ... but I think 3-ways will still be helpful ... I have gotten a lot of responses on a car audio forum ... they said 3-ways will be better ... especially beause I have no rears ...
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Old Jul 7, 2002 | 12:25 AM
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... the conclusion ...

oddly enough .... After posting this on many different forums, I have found out that either will be good ... but if I have the space 3-ways will help all around.

So I plan to get 3-way components ... now its only a matter of which ones ....

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Old Jul 7, 2002 | 01:18 AM
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3way will sound better and cost more. If you can fit them easily and afford them, go for it.
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Old Jul 7, 2002 | 01:23 AM
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3way will sound better and cost more. If you can fit them easily and afford them, go for it.
I can afford the MB Quart's and I bid on some Boston Acoustics on e-bay ... if I win the auction ... I will be happy ... I already won 2 amps today :smash: ... all 3 are from the same person so I can save on shipping too!!!
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Old Jul 7, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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Just be careful on ebay! :smash:
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Old Jul 7, 2002 | 11:37 PM
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Just be careful on ebay! :smash:
Oh I know ... I only buy from people with 2K+ postives and is e-bay verified ..
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For what its worth, I am a fanatic about this stuff and I returned the 3 ways in favor of the MB Quart 2-ways and a 12w7 sub. Phenominal sound!!!
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Old Jul 9, 2002 | 03:58 PM
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Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.
There is plenty of space... More control... Better sound, especially if not using rear fill!

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Old Jul 9, 2002 | 04:09 PM
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Yep, just what Budda said. More control and better seperation from a 3way. However the space needed is the only downfall.

There is plenty of space... More control... Better sound, especially if not using rear fill!

I actually planned to get those Diamond Audio Speakers then found out you need 2 x-overs for each side ??? ... I am looking into the MB Quart PSD 316's or the Boston Acoustic 6.5^3 ... the Bostons are able to handle 500W each ... and the sound great ... and the MB's sound great ... but I cannot find a local shop that has them in stock to sell because I do not want the floor model ...
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Old Jul 9, 2002 | 09:26 PM
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I know what you mwan about the x-over's... The BA's X-over is pretty big, Mb's are the better option of the two in my opinion :D

Are we having fun yet :)
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Old Jul 14, 2002 | 10:18 PM
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I know what you mwan about the x-over's... The BA's X-over is pretty big, Mb's are the better option of the two in my opinion :D

Are we having fun yet :)
loads!

I have a pair of Canton RS3's. They are a 3 way system with a 6" bass, 4" mid and 1" tweets.

Now, Canton still sells a nice 3 way set, (or used to) as the 3.22 or 3.28.
http://www.cantonusa.com/oldweb/rs322.htm
http://www.cantonusa.com/oldweb/rs328.htm

These use the older Canton Pullman technology. A speaker, that in my opinion, sounds almost as nice as a Focal, and better than MB Quarts...

Personnally, MB Quarts are designed for SQ, and as such, are perfect on the graph, but just too flat for real rich sound.
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