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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 12:30 PM
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I'm looking for a 4 channel amp that will serve double duty to run a set of components at around 100 watts per side and then bridge the rear channels to run a 10" or 12" sub. The sub will need to receive at least 200 watts. I'm having trouble determining how much power is sent to the sub when you run the amp in tri-mode operation. The ratings are always given as something like 75x4 or 300x2. Any of the usual suspects is fine PG, Alpine, Kicker, JBL, etc.
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Check out the Hifonics Olympus :thumbs:
http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/hifonics.html
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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Check out the Hifonics Olympus :thumbs:
http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/hifonics.html
Thats a sweet deal, only $400. It says:
Amplifier - 124x4 @ 4ohm - 800 watts RMS total, so if I were to bridge channels 3 and 4 for the sub I would get 124 watts to each component and 248 watts to the sub? Is that correct?
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125 watts x 4 channels into 4 Ohms (stereo)

200 watts x 4 channels into 2 Ohms (stereo)

250 watts x 4 channels into 1 Ohm (stereo)

400 watts x 2 channels into 4 Ohms (bridged)

500 watts x 2 channels into 2 Ohms (bridged)

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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 02:28 PM
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125 watts x 4 channels into 4 Ohms (stereo)

200 watts x 4 channels into 2 Ohms (stereo)

250 watts x 4 channels into 1 Ohm (stereo)

400 watts x 2 channels into 4 Ohms (bridged)

500 watts x 2 channels into 2 Ohms (bridged)
Okay, how about 3 channel operation?
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I couldn't find the manual for it, but I'd figure on 3-400
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125 watts x 4 channels into 4 Ohms (stereo)

200 watts x 4 channels into 2 Ohms (stereo)

250 watts x 4 channels into 1 Ohm (stereo)

400 watts x 2 channels into 4 Ohms (bridged)

500 watts x 2 channels into 2 Ohms (bridged)
What is the advantage to running a pair of speaker at an ohm other than 4? It looks like running a speaker at 2 ohm makes it louder, but what are the trade offs? Is sound quality degraded is it harder on the the amps and speakers. Also, isn't the wiring different?
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 03:02 PM
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What is the advantage to running a pair of speaker at an ohm other than 4? It looks like running a speaker at 2 ohm makes it louder, but what are the trade offs? Is sound quality degraded is it harder on the the amps and speakers. Also, isn't the wiring different?
if the speaker is 4 ohms, it'll run at 4 ohms, if the speaker is 2 ohms it'll run at 2 ohms... etc.
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What is the advantage to running a pair of speaker at an ohm other than 4? It looks like running a speaker at 2 ohm makes it louder, but what are the trade offs? Is sound quality degraded is it harder on the the amps and speakers. Also, isn't the wiring different?

if the speaker is 4 ohms, it'll run at 4 ohms, if the speaker is 2 ohms it'll run at 2 ohms... etc.
Thats not the whole story.

Lets not worry about this 4 channel amp thread that you hijacked :lol: .

Lets pretend you have a 2 channel amp that is rated at 90X2@4ohms and 180x2@2ohms. If you hook up a pair (2) 4 ohm speakers, they will both get 90watts. If you hook up 4 4 ohm speakers (2 on the left channel 2 on the right channel, for example) each speaker will still get 90 watts.

Lets pretend you take that same amp and bridge the 2 channels to run a subwoofer. You would get 360 watts to the sub if the sub had a 4 ohm impedance. The amp in this case would actually "see" 2 ohms. If you hooked up an 8 ohm sub in this situation, the amp would "see" 4 ohms and only put out 180 watts to the sub.

I just can't figure out how to do this kind of math on a 4 channel amp running in 3 channel mode.

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[Modified by leolufse, 3:33 PM 4/22/2003]
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I just didn't feel like getting to detailed with it, since the post was about finding you an amp :jester
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What is the advantage to running a pair of speaker at an ohm other than 4? It looks like running a speaker at 2 ohm makes it louder, but what are the trade offs? Is sound quality degraded is it harder on the the amps and speakers. Also, isn't the wiring different?

if the speaker is 4 ohms, it'll run at 4 ohms, if the speaker is 2 ohms it'll run at 2 ohms... etc.

Thats not the whole story.

Lets not worry about this 4 channel amp thread that you hijacked :lol: .

Lets pretend you have a 2 channel amp that is rated at 90X2@4ohms and 180x2@2ohms. If you hook up a pair (2) 4 ohm speakers, they will both get 90watts. If you hook up 4 4 ohm speakers (2 on the left channel 2 on the right channel, for example) each speaker will still get 90 watts.

Lets pretend you take that same amp and bridge the 2 channels to run a subwoofer. You would get 360 watts to the sub if the sub had a 4 ohm impedance. The amp in this case would actually "see" 2 ohms. If you hooked up an 8 ohm sub in this situation, the amp would "see" 4 ohms and only put out 180 watts to the sub.

I just can't figure out how to do this kind of math on a 4 channel amp running in 3 channel mode.

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[Modified by leolufse, 3:33 PM 4/22/2003]
Hmmmm. So if I have a 5 channel amp, but only use 2 channels (Front Left, Front Right) I could probably bridge the Rear Left, Rear Right and Subwoofer channels to get more power out of my subwoofer? I could also run the subwoofer at 2 ohms to get more power? Can the fronts be run at 4 ohms while the subwoofer be run at 2 ohms?
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Hmmmm. So if I have a 5 channel amp, but only use 2 channels (Front Left, Front Right) I could probably bridge the Rear Left, Rear Right and Subwoofer channels to get more power out of my subwoofer? I could also run the subwoofer at 2 ohms to get more power? Can the fronts be run at 4 ohms while the subwoofer be run at 2 ohms?
I wouldn't run a sub off of 3 channels... what sub? is your sub a 4 ohm/2ohm/1ohm ? yes you can run the fronts at 4 ohm while the sub is at 2 ohm.
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My subwoofer is a JL stealthbox.
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Old Apr 22, 2003 | 04:21 PM
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My subwoofer is a JL stealthbox.
ok... what sub is in the stealthbox ??
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Contains one 10W3v2-D2 in a sealed enclosure. 300 Watt power handling. Wired for 4 ohm mono. How safe is it to run at 2 ohm?
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Contains one 10W3v2-D2 in a sealed enclosure. 300 Watt power handling. Wired for 4 ohm mono. How safe is it to run at 2 ohm?
you can't run it at 2ohm, since it's wired for 4ohm, it's probably the dual 2 ohm, so you can wire it for 4 ohm or 1 ohm.

Just leave it at 4 ohm... you're amp will be giving it enough power.
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Thanks guys.
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