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Pioneer head unit ?
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Pioneer head unit ?
I am going to install a new head unit in my '87 and like the looks of the Pioneer DEH-P77DH.
Is this unit worth the price($200), or should I keep looking.
I like the 1 1/2 din size and there do not seem to be many choices. Thanks.
Is this unit worth the price($200), or should I keep looking.
I like the 1 1/2 din size and there do not seem to be many choices. Thanks.
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From: Iowa
St. Jude Donor '03 thru '26
Originally Posted by OzzyC4
I am going to install a new head unit in my '87 and like the looks of the Pioneer DEH-P77DH.
Is this unit worth the price($200), or should I keep looking.
I like the 1 1/2 din size and there do not seem to be many choices. Thanks.
Is this unit worth the price($200), or should I keep looking.
I like the 1 1/2 din size and there do not seem to be many choices. Thanks.
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I have this head unit, as well. I agree, it's a tank of a head unit. Mine has never skipped, either.
However, you can get mp3 playing feature rich 4v out alpines for the same price. It's antiquated. Didn't say it wasn't good, it's.. like paying $45,000 for an 1990 corvette when you can get an 04 for $45,000.
However, you can get mp3 playing feature rich 4v out alpines for the same price. It's antiquated. Didn't say it wasn't good, it's.. like paying $45,000 for an 1990 corvette when you can get an 04 for $45,000.
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I agree with Kale on this one.
My nephew, who has a bad habit of being a "victim", had his Alpine head die, jam, whatever. The local shop (shoulda taken it to the store we bought it from, but that's too much effort), told him they don't deal with Alpine. So, he bought a new Pioneer.
I just spoke with him about it... asked him what he thought, and he wasn't impressed with it. The highs are weak and the bass, way overpowering. He cannot turn it down enough.
My nephew, who has a bad habit of being a "victim", had his Alpine head die, jam, whatever. The local shop (shoulda taken it to the store we bought it from, but that's too much effort), told him they don't deal with Alpine. So, he bought a new Pioneer.
I just spoke with him about it... asked him what he thought, and he wasn't impressed with it. The highs are weak and the bass, way overpowering. He cannot turn it down enough.
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Bogus....you should know better 
In today's world all amps will put out 20 to 20khz, damn near flat. In other words, the radio's amp has very little to do with sound reproduction, the amp just makes the source louder. The radio in question has a freq range of 20 to 20khz which is all a human can hear. If your nephews highs are lacking, buy him better speakers.
I have Infinity plates in my trucks dash and have my bass set at 0, mid and -1, and tweet set at +1. The range of the controls are +/- 5.
Also, I do not use the loudness button. Be sure your nephew doesn't have one of the preset soundfields selected, one of them is set-up for lots of bass.
Bogus, do I still get the stereo and Hummer for Christmas?
In today's world all amps will put out 20 to 20khz, damn near flat. In other words, the radio's amp has very little to do with sound reproduction, the amp just makes the source louder. The radio in question has a freq range of 20 to 20khz which is all a human can hear. If your nephews highs are lacking, buy him better speakers.
I have Infinity plates in my trucks dash and have my bass set at 0, mid and -1, and tweet set at +1. The range of the controls are +/- 5.
Also, I do not use the loudness button. Be sure your nephew doesn't have one of the preset soundfields selected, one of them is set-up for lots of bass.
Bogus, do I still get the stereo and Hummer for Christmas?
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Originally Posted by knewblewkorvette
Bogus....you should know better
In today's world all amps will put out 20 to 20khz, damn near flat. In other words, the radio's amp has very little to do with sound reproduction, the amp just makes the source louder. The radio in question has a freq range of 20 to 20khz which is all a human can hear. If your nephews highs are lacking, buy him better speakers.
I have Infinity plates in my trucks dash and have my bass set at 0, mid and -1, and tweet set at +1. The range of the controls are +/- 5.
Also, I do not use the loudness button. Be sure your nephew doesn't have one of the preset soundfields selected, one of them is set-up for lots of bass.
Bogus, do I still get the stereo and Hummer for Christmas?
In today's world all amps will put out 20 to 20khz, damn near flat. In other words, the radio's amp has very little to do with sound reproduction, the amp just makes the source louder. The radio in question has a freq range of 20 to 20khz which is all a human can hear. If your nephews highs are lacking, buy him better speakers.
I have Infinity plates in my trucks dash and have my bass set at 0, mid and -1, and tweet set at +1. The range of the controls are +/- 5.
Also, I do not use the loudness button. Be sure your nephew doesn't have one of the preset soundfields selected, one of them is set-up for lots of bass.
Bogus, do I still get the stereo and Hummer for Christmas?
I had a Pioneer (FH-P4400?) head unit before I got the Alpine (7998).
All the EQ settings (pre-set, BTW) were designed to provide more bass, not more highs.
I am sure the speakers are junk, they are factory Ford drivers... but the sub is a JL Audio 12W6, with a JL 500/1 pushing it. As I suspected, the sub bass is intense, too intense, he has had to turn the bass down.
Listen to one of those heads... they're icky. All they do is punch up the lower end of the spectrum.
This has zero to do with the radios amps, it's all the contouring of the preamp section.
For the most part, most humans can't hear past about 16khz. The reason stereo sources go up to 20khz, is to that the upper reaches fade off, versus just stopping. Makes for much smoother response.
I also believe, a lot of heads CLAIM that range, but don't produce it.
I ain't giving you a hummer, I don't swing that way!
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Originally Posted by bogus
you funny.
I am sure the speakers are junk, they are factory Ford drivers.
Listen to one of those heads... they're icky. All they do is punch up the lower end of the spectrum.
This has zero to do with the radios amps, it's all the contouring of the preamp section.
I ain't giving you a hummer, I don't swing that way!
I am sure the speakers are junk, they are factory Ford drivers.
Listen to one of those heads... they're icky. All they do is punch up the lower end of the spectrum.
This has zero to do with the radios amps, it's all the contouring of the preamp section.
I ain't giving you a hummer, I don't swing that way!
:bb good one ...but how 'bout that stereo As far as listening to Pioneer heads, I do every day. Three of the four car audio systems I have uses a Pioneer HU. I have a KEX-M800, DEH-P77DH, and a DEH-P9400. The other is a really expensive Sony ES. I don't consider any of them icky
The KEX-M800 is old school, I think I had the first one sold to the public back in 1991, the only thing icky is the weak .5 volt output (standard in those days 
)By the way, Kale, the Pioneer HU that is the topic has 3 sets of 4 volt pre-amp outputs. I had to look that up to be sure even though I own the unit. Stupid me
Your right about the pre-amp section. It too should be flat from 20 to 20khz with all the controls set flat, most HU are. It's those damn things like "turbo bass" buttons that can really screw up the sound. Also, I've yet to see a manufactures preset equalizer setting that is worth a damn.
Merry Christmas to all you guys!
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Do you happen to have the DEH-P47DH? It looks exactly like the DEH-P77DH but it has ony one set of pre-amp outputs and it is a 2 volt output. I'm looking at a Pioneer brochure right now.
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Originally Posted by knewblewkorvette
Do you happen to have the DEH-P47DH?
I happen to own and use one now. I even recently bought a remote for it off of ebay for $10.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/DEH-45DH.jpg
I personally hate both alpine and pioneer, but this old DEH seems to be built like a brick sh**house.
I think Crutchfield used to sell these for like some ungodly price like $400. Ive seen some on ebay for $80 tho.....
snoopdan
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Crutchfield still does sell them, about $250 for the 47 and $300 for the 77. Crutchfield is expensive but their sevice is great. The extras they give ya can add up if you had to buy them seperately.
And yes, built like a brick. Currenty I'm using the 4 speaker outputs and I like it LOUD. I haven't blown it up yet but with that system I so far have smoked a USAcoustic amp, blew a 12" sub, and a 4X6" in the dash :o
And yes, built like a brick. Currenty I'm using the 4 speaker outputs and I like it LOUD. I haven't blown it up yet but with that system I so far have smoked a USAcoustic amp, blew a 12" sub, and a 4X6" in the dash :o
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Hell man, it even runs my stock bose front speakers fine! I thought they were replacement speakers when I bought the car, but last week I took the door speaker cover off and was surprised to find out the loud *** speakers that were making me deaf, were 15 years old! 
like i said, i hate pioneer equipment (especially for their anemic sounding mid/highs)...but their single disc cd players seem to work well! Mine has even been rained on before, when I left the top off my car during a rain storm. However, my most props goes to a sony cd changer I had, an early 1990's CDX10 that survived a flood.
snoopdan
damn, i went off on a tanget, didnt I?
like i said, i hate pioneer equipment (especially for their anemic sounding mid/highs)...but their single disc cd players seem to work well! Mine has even been rained on before, when I left the top off my car during a rain storm. However, my most props goes to a sony cd changer I had, an early 1990's CDX10 that survived a flood.
snoopdan
damn, i went off on a tanget, didnt I?
