talon95

Also, in regards to the surface and the courses.

The surface was great once rubbered in really well. It had so much more grip than I had seen previously there (at the regional events) that I ended up changing my car during day 1.

The courses were good, although I preferred the west course. The east course was ok, but a little busy for my taste. Nothing really wrong with it. Wasn't terribly tight, just lots of transitions.

Dave G.

RAFTRACER

Congratulations of your win , Jeff

I must say that the Corvettes may have done a little better than I expected, but with the new "slick" surface , and some of the classing situations that are current, I think that it is an uphill battle for Corvettes in SCCA solo right now ( sort of like the AS Pro results ). Not taking anything away from John Tak or Andy Lieber, both of which I like and respect, but did you honestly expect any other type of car to win BSP running 1st heat and the first cars on the courses for the week??? It was defineatly their race to loose........Wonder if a Corvette even remotely has the posibility of winning AS or BSP if it rains, with a whole slew of AWD turbo cars in the class.........No way in hell These cars should be classed by themselves, for the inclimate weather reason alone. As far as ASP goes, I am certainly glad that Mike won, but as far as SP goes, pushrod NA cars are getting screwed............Unlimited turbo boost for AWD rally cars and Porsche Turbo products, just because the SCCA says they cant police this or cam timing on VVT cars. They seem to be able to police this kind of activity at other SCCA levels. Lets try mandated "pop-off" valves with the factories max boost.........., funny part about it is I am on the ****, even though I certainly did not "ask" to be, I was drafted, and found out that I was accepted on the **** when I read it in FAST TRACK ( after one of my sponsors made me aware of it ). Listening to the reasons why about turbo cars and VVT made me laugh. All of this ,coupled with tightened up courses ( to adhere to their 60-65 mph speed limit ) to slow down all of the new technologies in automotive advancements and tire construction, have made this a little less palatable for me .
I have been involved with SCCA solo for 20 years, and I think I can honestly say that the club is as screwed up as I have ever seen. I stil really enjoy autocross in general, because nothing still beats "playing" with cars, but there are other venues to play in for Corvettes. They may not be quite as competitive (yet), but they are fun.
I missed not competing in this years Nationals, but I must say I was not looking as forward to it , as in years past. New smaller surface, all of the low grip comments coming from people who have been there, grass paddock, tighter courses, all seem like negatives to me. I am sure it will get better, but let's hope it gets better for us (the competitors, or customers) , not just the SCCA...................

RAFTRACER

Alex Tzortzis (sp?) is the man, Congratulations Alex.......................

Has the SCCA posted final results yet, or did they forget ??????

greendot

I don't know just how much development Tak And Lieber put into the EVO, but don't discount the effort that Olsen put into his Corvette to win the "real" BSP class.
He was part of the California contingent led by Ankeny that rented the HPT lot early in the week prior to PRO and developed their cars for that pavement. Harold said he made 45 or 50 runs and changed EVERYTHING.

I was so desperate that I yanked out the old bias Autocrossers for first run Wednesday. They like cold asphalt. But not enough.

My take was just the opposite. I thought the west course was a study in how many different ways you could lay out a 180. And it was slow. I was bottom of 2nd gear most of the time.
The east course had fast transitions that were more like Nationals past.

talon95

No, we actually agree. I didn't say the course wasn't typical of past nationals, but just that I didn't particularly like it.

Dave G.

Cape Cod Bob

Think they forgot. I looked Saturday morning and they still have not posted SS and had a friend in another class that was 2nd after the 1st day. Still don't see that result either.

Bob

RX7 KLR

Everyone had to be packed and off the site by 7:00pm Friday. I am sure in the rush to tear down the courses and pack they did not get them posted. Maybe we will see them later today.

RAFTRACER

way to go, you ex-Corvetter you.............

RX7 KLR

Thanks, I guess I needed a slower car to get er done.

Here are some SS results not from the scca site:

http://sccaforums.com/forums/permali...ad.aspx#213709

AUTO_X_AL

Congrats to Michael Losert and Al Chan for finishing 9th and 15th respectivly. Both from michigan and bringing home some Hardware!

Good Job Guys!

90pololt4

Congrats Jason and thanks for posting the link. Your old shocks are working well on the C4.
Rod

RAFTRACER

Jerry Onks, moved up many a position and into the trophies, nice come back , dude............

greendot

OK, but the part I didn't agree with.............wait, I can't disagree with your feelings, just have different ones.

I liked the east course much more than the west course.

alextz

Well, I must say I did better than I thought I would.

I thought the courses were OK at best. The lots are too small to host what should be the "superbowl" of autocrossing.

Anyway, I do believe that the C5Z06 can keep up with the Elises and GT3s. I think Gary Thomason would have won had he been on Hoosiers (in the GT3).

-Alex T.

LehmanZ06

Lehman to the rescue

1 day Forbes
1 day HPT

Monday and Wednesday Forbes
Tuesday and Thursday HPT

Then everyone can see the action, hear the PA, courses would rock.
T-shirt guy could come back to Forbes, and kick *** food vendors to Forbes. People could empty their bowels in the HPT bathrooms, and still use the port-a-john's at Forbes.

Asphault and Concrete !

The real superbowl of autocrossing----Forbes and HPT are so close !

Looks like "Team Itchy *****" has just saved the world !

Solofast

You aren't the first person to make that suggestion, lots of folks were talking about that much earlier in the year when it became apparent that the site is really too small to put on two "Nationals size" courses. It was brought up at the Solo town meeting and pretty much put to bed. It appears that the airport authority really doesn't want to us play there. They did a lot to patch concrete and there were substantial costs on their part to have us there. Moreover, the guy who runs the airport authority and was pretty much our sponsor there is retiring, so Howard Duncan has said that we are done at Forbes. I wouldn't say never, cause you should never say never, but right now that isn't on the table...

LehmanZ06

That's a shame.

Hell the SCCA headquaters is only 100 yds or so from where we ran at Forbes. I can't believe it was such a big deal for Forbes to host us. Maybe someone in politics in Topeka should put a little pressure on Forbes. Can't see that we really got in anyone's way out there. If we are such a problem, then why did the SCCA put their headquaters there ?

Besides there is no one in the whole state of Kansas, just a bunch of corn. Hell you can't even find a tire shop open on Sunday.

Remember Dorothy was from Kansas, and she needed a tornado to escape. Everything in Kansas was in black and white, and when she went to OZ it was in color---explain that !

Lehman

tigerdrvr

David, just when I begin to wonder if your mental facilities have been irrevocably impaired through inhalation of Gold Bond fumes, you come up with something like the above...I vote we move Nationals out of the void which is Topeka. Question is, where to?

0ATI Performance

Kings Island in Cincinnati.

I was there 1st time this summer while in Cincinnati for an autocross event nearby. The parking lot is freakin gigantic (makes Forbes look small). September is off-season (park closed during the week, lots are empty), and we could play in the park on weekends....

Bob

Vetracr

Do you mean Sobie??? Soebiontoro Soekamto.

Larry