Wear rates of different Carbotech Compounds...
10-26-2007, 12:00 PM
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10-26-2007, 12:02 PM
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For a C5 you are DEAD ON! I would rather replace 10 rotors than 1 set of pads, but the C6Z is a different animal. Rotors are $130ea. If I could get 4 days or 2 weekend out of a set of paddlets, I'd JUMP for joy! One of the reasons I am getting fustrated with this thing.
10-26-2007, 12:03 PM
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For a C5 you are DEAD ON! I would rather replace 10 rotors than 1 set of pads, but the C6Z is a different animal. Rotors are $130ea. If I could get 4 days or 2 weekend out of a set of paddlets, I'd JUMP for joy! One of the reasons I am getting fustrated with this thing.
Good luck to ya!
FT
10-26-2007, 12:15 PM
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10-26-2007, 12:29 PM
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I think it is disingenious of Carbotech to blame poor bed-in when shudder is a well known problem with their product. Other race pads (specially Hawk and PFC) don't require such exacting bed-in procedures.
Carbotech gives free brake pads to a number of racers who then sing the praises of the product. There are some in this Forum. To that I say: It's a questionable marketing practice for an inferior product.
Over and out...
Frank Gonzalez
10-26-2007, 02:10 PM
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Race Director
I ran the Carbos for the first time at my last event and now that you mention it, there was shudder. I was surprised at first and thought I was getting into the ABS. The brakes worked very well though! Is there another non metallic type pad that is very good with no shudder and noncorrosive? Cobalt?
10-26-2007, 02:40 PM
#27
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Sorry, I won't put up with shudder. It is annoying and dangerous. I could never count on the brakes to be there at the end of a straight -- that's close to 170 MPH at the back straight at VIR in my C6Z.
I think it is disingenious of Carbotech to blame poor bed-in when shudder is a well known problem with their product. Other race pads (specially Hawk and PFC) don't require such exacting bed-in procedures.
Carbotech gives free brake pads to a number of racers who then sing the praises of the product. There are some in this Forum. To that I say: It's a questionable marketing practice for an inferior product.
Over and out...
Frank Gonzalez
I think it is disingenious of Carbotech to blame poor bed-in when shudder is a well known problem with their product. Other race pads (specially Hawk and PFC) don't require such exacting bed-in procedures.
Carbotech gives free brake pads to a number of racers who then sing the praises of the product. There are some in this Forum. To that I say: It's a questionable marketing practice for an inferior product.
Over and out...
Frank Gonzalez
10-26-2007, 02:44 PM
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I WISH !!!
10-26-2007, 02:45 PM
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the car it just keeps showing flaws.
10-26-2007, 02:46 PM
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10-26-2007, 02:56 PM
#31
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tested where? 3 seconds is huge
10-26-2007, 03:06 PM
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10-30-2007, 07:03 AM
#33
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I am not a paid Carbotech endorser - but I am willing to be (or any other good brake pad company competitor that will do it for me!). I have run XP8 to XP12. XP12s do not last very long compared to XP10s or XP8s so I have not looked into any more agressive than that. I have been more than satisfied with their performance. They sure are not cheap.
I am sure not a waxer but I hate pads that destroy my A mold GS wheels for no other benefit I can see on my lap times.
I am sure not a waxer but I hate pads that destroy my A mold GS wheels for no other benefit I can see on my lap times.
10-30-2007, 10:27 AM
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say too.
My Hawks ate my wheels up, and gave me basically the same stopping power and life as the Panthers.
I might try the Brembo pads soon to see what they do. I know a full set of $$$ Brembos stop well.
-Rick-
My Hawks ate my wheels up, and gave me basically the same stopping power and life as the Panthers.
I might try the Brembo pads soon to see what they do. I know a full set of $$$ Brembos stop well.
-Rick-
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10-30-2007, 01:51 PM
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This thread bites.
There doesn't seem to be any agreement on anything and my z51 is arriving in 2 weeks. I want a long lasting ,no dust cheap pad!!!!!! I have 12/10's now and dont like the shudder but it seems each mfg has a downside. Somebody help.
There doesn't seem to be any agreement on anything and my z51 is arriving in 2 weeks. I want a long lasting ,no dust cheap pad!!!!!! I have 12/10's now and dont like the shudder but it seems each mfg has a downside. Somebody help.
10-30-2007, 04:13 PM
#36
Le Mans Master
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If you have a stock Z51 caliper's, then you have a much wider variety of pads to use. I would go with Wilwood's or PFC 01's for the track for that caliper.
10-30-2007, 08:47 PM
#37
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I've run XP8/XP9(dc'ed)/XP12.
The 9's and 8's were fine, but the XP12's were done after one easy weekend and had more taper than any pad I've ever used.
IMO XP12's have extremely poor longevity.
The 9's and 8's were fine, but the XP12's were done after one easy weekend and had more taper than any pad I've ever used.
IMO XP12's have extremely poor longevity.
10-30-2007, 09:09 PM
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I ran my stock Z51 with the C5 rotors at VIR this summer (94+ degrees F for three days), using the XP12/XP10 combo recommended by Carbotech. I did notice that the front pads wore down faster than I expected, but I still left the track with a very favorable experience with the brakes. One of the other things I like is my car is easier to clean up after a track event when I use the Carbotechs, as compared to the other race pads I have used.
In my experience, the only time I've ever experienced brake shudder with Carbotechs, is when I did a pad swap from street pads (metallic based) to the Carbotechs, without dressing the rotors (sanding the old transfer film off). Right now, running the C5 rotor combo allows me to have a dedicated set of rotors that only see Carbotech materials. I don't have the stomach to trash the Z51 rotors, nor do I wish to keep replacing them at a much higher cost than the C5 rotors.
I was wondering if you guys with the brake shudder issue are doing a straight up pad swap, or are you also removing the transfer layer from the previous pad from your rotor, prior to bedding in the Carbotechs? You guys think that may be it?
In my experience, the only time I've ever experienced brake shudder with Carbotechs, is when I did a pad swap from street pads (metallic based) to the Carbotechs, without dressing the rotors (sanding the old transfer film off). Right now, running the C5 rotor combo allows me to have a dedicated set of rotors that only see Carbotech materials. I don't have the stomach to trash the Z51 rotors, nor do I wish to keep replacing them at a much higher cost than the C5 rotors.
I was wondering if you guys with the brake shudder issue are doing a straight up pad swap, or are you also removing the transfer layer from the previous pad from your rotor, prior to bedding in the Carbotechs? You guys think that may be it?
11-03-2007, 08:06 AM
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I change both pads & rotors for the track... and bed the Carbotech's in following the vendors instructions.Having gone thru 5 sets of front pads (XP12) & 2 sets of rear(XP10) Ive experienced very slight shudder on 2 sets of fronts, mild shudder on 2 sets,
and a WHOA... gotta brake early... shudder on one set.
Rear pads don't seem to be a problem
