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Old Jun 29, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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I have an '87 that gets used for around town driving and autox in near stock condition. I'm running 285/18"fr 315/19" for street, and 17"/18" hoosier A6 for autox. I"m looking for suggestions for alignment numbers. I want the best performance I can get without killing my street tires. What are others running?
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thanx for the quick response.
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I'm using the VB&P "Advanced Street" specs for my 87 coupe. I run 275/40-17 A6's on all 4 corners. Still see a little understeer on tight turns on short and slow a-x courses but sometimes changing front tire pressures help. But so would changing my driving style when it comes to corner entry

I do occasional track days with the car and the Advanced Street settings seem to work for me with my Kumho Escta MX's. I don't push the car real hard but it does feel solid.

My 87 is a Z52 car so it has the base springs but I've added poly sway bar bushings and Z51-specific Bilsteins to help with lean. I drive the car on the street on occasion and the Advanced Street settings don't seem to hurt my street tires and the car is not "darty" at all. Tire wear is even and that's a good sign.

If your car has the Z51 suspension, you will be able to get more negative camber up front because of the OEM offset lower control arm bushings but the more negative camber you have will probably be at the expense of tire wear and easy street driving. Zero toe-in works fine for the front but stay with just a bit of positive toe out back.
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I wish I had more oversteer. I hate understeer, and I prefer steering with the right foot. I'm running the stock Z52 suspension and urethane bushings. What are some of y'all running for sways?
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Originally Posted by worldsaway
I wish I had more oversteer. I hate understeer, and I prefer steering with the right foot. I'm running the stock Z52 suspension and urethane bushings. What are some of y'all running for sways?
C4's seem to work best with a square setup. Putting bigger tires on the back is the easiest way to make a C4 push like a pig... We put the V710's from my Z (17/18) onto our BSP car and that was a waste of time...
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I tried the advanced street at first and quickly thought it was to tame. I'm running 1.5° in the front and 1° in the rear now. The grip level feels more solid throughout the entire corner arc. I stick to street tires still and there was more to be had but we stopped there. All the shims are removed though.
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
the more negative camber you have will probably be at the expense of tire wear and easy street driving.
I never found tire wear to be excessive, even with max camber (approx -1.75 deg front. Front toe will wear tires more quickly.

Originally Posted by c4cruiser
Zero toe-in works fine for the front but stay with just a bit of positive toe out back.
Nuetral toe in the front is nice on the street and it's easy enough to dial in a bit of toe out @ the a/x, then change it back for the ride home. Keep a little toe in out back to keep the rear stable.
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If your going to drive your car on the street a lot. Toe out will eat the tires faster than neg camber.
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Originally Posted by Racin Time
Toe out will eat the tires faster than neg camber.
I agree.

This probably isnt the most ideal case but I had an alignment shop I knew play with shims and settings for me one afternoon. My car is setup for street and roadrace. For race they removed all the shims and I have just over -2* chamber front and about 1/16" total toe out. I had them add shims until the toe was zero and i got about -1.8* front chamber. This way I dont worry eating tires on the street and come race day I pull the shims and have my race setup. Its simple enough to do while changing to race tires and race brakes. The rear is always the same with -1* chamber and 1/8" total toe in.
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Originally Posted by Solofast
C4's seem to work best with a square setup
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