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Old 06-08-2016, 10:36 AM
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Default Hawk VS Carbotech: which safer for painted wheels

which one is safer for painted wheels. (especially if left on for 1-2 weeks)

and which has easier dust cleanup?
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Originally Posted by STANG KILLA SS
which one is safer for painted wheels. (especially if left on for 1-2 weeks)

and which has easier dust cleanup?
This should depend on compound, not brand. What compound are you planning to use?
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would be either XP or DTC

i know they have several compounds of each.

would most likely be in the X8-X12 range, and its DTC counter parts
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neither/both dependent on how you look at it. ALL race pads have a high iron content. the damage comes from the iron dust made by the pad and the rotor. when that dust gets wet it will rust to the wheel. so wash your wheels after your track day, and change out those pads.

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JC, any recommendations though?
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So, performance friction pfc 06 and 08 will not damage your wheels...ever, if you wash them or not. I have not seen the Carbotech RP2's cause any problems, but I've not had them for long.

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Carbotech Performance Brakes™ began 24 years ago. In the beginning we thought like everybody else and made brake compounds out of carbon & iron. The problem with carbon & iron is that when it heats up it forms carbide. Carbide is used in cutting tools, so imagine what that does to your rotors. Along with the fact that those compounds tear up rotors, they also produce very corrosive brake dust. While our competition stills uses carbon & iron as the main ingredients in their compounds, Carbotech started an entire new philosophy eight years ago.
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The DTC is corrosive and will harm your wheels.
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Originally Posted by Level8Drummer
So, performance friction pfc 06 and 08 will not damage your wheels...ever, if you wash them or not. I have not seen the Carbotech RP2's cause any problems, but I've not had them for long.

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if you let them sit they can damage the wheels. i've seen brand new forgelines all rusted. I don't know what amp is talking about but ALL race pads need high iron content to get the thermal stability out of the pad. in layman's terms ALL race pads need the iron to operate at the elevated temperatures required to do track driving. besides the pads the rotor is made from iron too, so all of that comes off as a dust. if you leave the dust, it gets wet (morning due), iron rusts, and it will rust to your wheels.

it's more about preparation than what manufacture to use. If your worried about your wheels coat them with Anti-Slag the welders spray. Or the nascar boys figured out that PAM cooking spray does a god job too. Wash your wheels after the event, when you take your race pads out.



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don't give a hoot! On my personal car i use black wheels for street duty mostly because it's harder to see the dust. my car is a 90% track 10% street car. i just refuse to care and let them get all nasty. my track wheels get cleaned after every event as a post race inspection. i look for cracks and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by loudes13
JC, any recommendations though?
if you got nice wheels and you want to keep them nice prep them with anti slag or pam cooking spray.

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after your event take the race pads out and wash your wheels.
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There is a small amount of iron in the XP series
I would not leave it on for a month. The dust is non corrosive..

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C5 Z06 assuming wheels have a coat of wax:
Easy rinse off: XP10, DTC 60 & Ferodo DS1.11

Needs a little scrub with soapy water & probably clean wheels sooner than later : XP12 & DTC70

Don't let wheels get wet unless you are washing them. If you do get the dust get wet and dry off, be prepared to clean wheels with clay bar, CLR, Sonax or similar: Hawk Blue. Great race pad when they are up to temperature, but very rotor unfriendly when cold and terrible clean-up.

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HPS+ messed up the wheels on my mustang.
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Originally Posted by Bearman71
HPS+ messed up the wheels on my mustang.
Hawk pad material is very corrosive.
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Originally Posted by Adam@Amp'dAutosport.com
Hawk pad material is very corrosive.
adam, you might want to take a look at who supplys carbotech with friction material.
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Originally Posted by Johnny C @ OG
adam, you might want to take a look at who supplys carbotech with friction material.
Johnny, are you implying that Carbotech uses the same compound manufacturer as hawk?

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