SurfnSun

when did weight have anything to do with your original statement? Look up the weight of a GTR....not that it has anything to do with your absurd standpoint.

Bottom line, when you advertise something as track ready or track capable....it better be. The Z06 isn't.

KnightDriveTV

We built track focused street cars for quite some time. To say that the Z06 is a track car with a warranty is absurd.

This lawsuit is carried by a firm that sues GM with regularity.

Sue manufacturers for building cars aimed at enthusiasts and you will end up with nothing but run of the mill sports cars with no warranty if you touch a track environment. Everyone is on board to crush GM for trying to build street cars with a track capability. Supporting a lawsuit where lawyers shop for people to add to the class is just feeding that firm.

Total bs suit.

ErnieN85

seems to work ok, I was in one last year

ShahulX

guess I made the right choice in the grand sport over z06... plus I couldn't afford a new z06 lol

Jay_Davis

Irrelevant. But when you don't have any real argument...

For someone that kicked off this thread by calling people stupid you seem to keep proving the stupidity of only one person. Guess who??

I'll spot you your couple of hundred pounds and take the Camaro and lets see if you can keep up:
http://www.imsa.com/news/022017/chev...17-competition

FASTFATBOY

Change the brake fluid in a new Grand Sport and go melt the tires off of it. You "might" have a heat issue with an auto in Tx heat, but the stick will go and go and go.

A C5 Z06 with a clean radiator does very well on track in stock form. A C6 Z06 in stock form does well, both cars need a brake fluid and pad change.

The C7 Z06 is a joke, GM's flagship and was the laughing stock of the world even in magazine testing. And you can bet your *** they knew about it, that's why there was never a 'Ring time on this car....it wouldn't make a full lap.

Mjolitor 68

I haven't pushed one yet but my C6Z had lifting issues at 130mph and other stuff.

Until I went went wild on it

I sure w a little work the cooling issues could be diminished.

Bigger rad & intercooler, wrap intake, supercharger maybe new hood

SunnydayDILYSI

I started tracking with a stock C5 Z06. Would hit 290 oil temps within 10 minutes of being on track in the Texas summer (as an intermediate). I put in a larger radiator and oil cooler, and the oil stayed at 260 even as an advanced driver. This isn't a big deal. If you want a car to stay cool on track you have to trade off longer warm up time on street. Just put in the cooling equipment for track. You probably paid more for the leather wrapped trim package. Complaining about increased track temps on stock cooling is like complaining about getting blisters from the grain on the leather wrapped steering wheel. On track I have to turn too much, it causes blisters, I'm suing!

Kenneth Dantley Jr.

I only have one day so far, and it was 103 with track temp hitting 158. Didn't overheat but I was doing cool down laps when the oil temp hit 260 or so. I will push it harder next time, I was more focused on learning the car this time out. If I need to upgrade some cooling, I will. If GM decides to do it for me, all the better. Is there a consensus on what exactly needs to be done? Oil Cooler first, right? What about meth injection?

My Challenger SRT8 would go full sessions at 9+/10 and stay cool enough. But that wasn't near the car this is, either. The brakes on that heavy beast got hot before anything else...

SouthernSon

I have known some women that were sensitive about their weight but I did not realize folks could be so sensitive and emotional about the weight of their car.

bj1888

There are a number of 4cyl cars that can run bone stock on track without overheating... But you're limited to about 200hp

Jay_Davis

One of these posts you should try using some relevant facts. Guess you have none.

l98tpi

It's all relative weight especially in the corners. GM don't sale the GT4.R to the public so that car is irrelevant when comparing to a stock C7 Z. Somewhere I read that GM's initial plan was to run a NA engine, but that was shot down due to emissions or corporate. And to SouthernSun's argument; anybody with any track or autox experience knows you can't take a bone stock car and expect to be able to push it near the limit.

Jay_Davis

Irrelevant. Anyone knows that a 400 HP car can't get 28 miles per gallon. Uh, until they did. They advertised and sold the car as a track ready car and blatantly lied. There are laws against that, PERIOD.

SunnydayDILYSI

Advertising for the Aventador is sporty. You can shred a set of the stock tires on track in an Aventador pretty quickly. Should we sue Lambo as well?

SouthernSon

I suppose GM will be sued for such a well designed A/H that shreds rear brake pads when pushed too hard on the track by those without enough experience to have the confidence to turn the darn thing off!

3X2

Some of my feelings on the subject, please do not take personally. I'm somewhat on the fence about this. Is the C7Z a capable high performance street car? Yes. As an on track road race car- not really and to GM, don't advertise it as being so. Make an option for a track package. Or better yet, build a no warranty COPO version, similar to the COPO Camaro. I'm sure there enough people with the where with all to afford one. There is so much electronic intrusions with a C7 that there isn't much that can be done about eliminating all the nannies. Wanna race a Mustang? Go to the Ford catalog and order a bare bones engine harness, correctly programmed ebcm, an electric steering rack that doesn't lose assist (like a C7), correctly programmed ecm. Ford sells these. If Ford can do it, why not GM? Have a Z51 Stingray and want to buy the GMPP Z06 brake kit? The Z51 ebcm isn't- and can not- be programmed to make full use of the Z06 brakes. Same for going to the carbon brakes or a real set of race quality Brembos.
The other side of my argument is, sue GM. What would you like GM to do or give you? A discount on another Corvette? Doesn't fix the problem of tracking a C7Z. Buy it back? You no longer have a C7Z. Only people benefiting is the lawyers. I don’t think a C8 is going to have less built in roadblocks for a truly track capable car driven by someone that knows how to drive. And yes, GM does have drivers at that skill level.
It gets better. What happens in the next few years when all cars get lane change warnings and auto braking, and whatever other things the feds mandate? We all see the commercials on tv saying how "great" these "safety features" are. How can anybody track a car with these installed? Do you really think GM, or any manufacturer, is going to offer a defeat for these? TPMS comes to mind. Without a thorough knowledge of automotive electronics and how the lan and can networks communicate with every module and a knowledge and capability to rewrite the coding in the modules, I think we are going be at the mercy of how the manufacturer builds them.
Good luck to all involved in this lawsuit. I think you will end up with either a- nothing, b- a small check for your overheating issue, c- selling/trading in the Z, or d- or a half baked band aid repair.

Gordy M

One of the problems with the Z06 was trying to keep the CAFE numbers reasonable, both for the brand and the company. When they went to DOD, you start to have heating issues and with the C7 they tried to do a track setting with DOD turned off. However the DOD will still kick in, according to a former engineer, to keep the engine block temps from going to high. Prolong running will continually increase the temps until it hits limp home threshold. A few know how to completely turn off the DOD, but the PCM/TCM will keep that change in its memory and may void future warranty work.

As far as Class Action Lawsuits, it take 4 users to sign up to make that status. The lawyers make their money and then the expenses/travel reimbursements/expert witnesses/etc, are paid and the little bit left over is divided among the signer's. The longer the suit lingers the more the lawyers make, that is why they try to get any type of class action suit started and hope it is settled out of court after a lengthy period of time.

bj1888

Among the many things they asked for was "injunctive relief in the form of a recall or free replacement program" - they want GM to fix the problem

goshendad

agreed!!