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Old 11-17-2017, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Question -- how much passing in F1 would there be WITHOUT it?
Oh, history provides the answer to that question: Darn near zero. That's why DRS was invented.

Since it's there, I just wish they'd eliminate restrictions on where it can be used. These drivers are supposed to be the best in the world: if one can handle using DRS around a curve, let them!

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Old 11-17-2017, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
Oh, history provides the answer to that question: Darn near zero. That's why DRS was invented.

Since it's there, I just wish they'd eliminate restrictions on where it can be used. These drivers are supposed to be the best in the world: if one can handle using DRS around a curve, let them!

Have a good one,
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There was no limit on DRS in Quali during the blown diffuser era. I greatly enjoyed watching Vettel go WOT around 130R at Suzuka with the DRS open. That was impressive as hell.
Old 11-17-2017, 09:11 AM
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Yea I like DRS... I kinda even miss the KERS button a few years ago... Even indycar has PUSH to pass... I like that more than the FANBOOST of formulaE... I feel thats unfair kinda
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Love it or not, we are stuck with DRS at least until 2021.
Waiting on the new formula is something of a joke, but that's what happens when the inmates are allowed to run the show.
Liberty has a huge challenge to get control of F1 back from the teams.
If they don't, we're stuck with this kind of nonsense for God knows how long.
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they'd have to get much less dependent on aero and more on mechanical grip for any passing...I hate when someone catches up and then cant even get close because the aero wont work behind the front car's disturbed air
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I'm with ya there.
Old 11-17-2017, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ShahulX
they'd have to get much less dependent on aero and more on mechanical grip for any passing...I hate when someone catches up and then cant even get close because the aero wont work behind the front car's disturbed air
One side-effect (benefit?, problem?) of getting rid of aero is that the cars are going to slow down, probably significantly. That also should bring the cars closer together (which is good), but is that reduction in performance good for F1?

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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
One side-effect (benefit?, problem?) of getting rid of aero is that the cars are going to slow down, probably significantly. That also should bring the cars closer together (which is good), but is that reduction in performance good for F1?

Have a good one,
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That's true...so how about adding more power to help compensate?
Even the drivers complain about the cars being too tame and not dangerous enough.

Hamilton identifies who he must be wary of:
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/...-his-f1-crown/

Here is Max checking out the new Vantage:


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Gotta disagree about the relationship between aero and speed.
If you remove aero drag, the cars will corner and stop slower but be faster in a straight line. Might be pretty spectacular on the tracks with long straights. That would give the drivers something new to complain about!
F1 has always had some limits on performance, but for years it was just engine size. Would it be too hard to change the aero rules to minimize air disturbance for following cars?
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Just looking at that screen shot...
Max and the new Vantage:
"Mmmmm. That feels nice on my ***."
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Originally Posted by Nowanker
Gotta disagree about the relationship between aero and speed.
If you remove aero drag, the cars will corner and stop slower but be faster in a straight line. Might be pretty spectacular on the tracks with long straights. That would give the drivers something new to complain about!
They ALWAYS will complain about something.
F1 has always had some limits on performance, but for years it was just engine size. Would it be too hard to change the aero rules to minimize air disturbance for following cars?
It's another one of those things (like current engines) where the teams are protecting their "investment" in current technology.
They have to be forced to change.
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Just looking at that screen shot...
Max and the new Vantage:
"Mmmmm. That feels nice on my ***."
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I admit the car does look smooth as a baby's butt on the track.

I have always wanted an AM, but not one with a turbo in it...how unfortunate IMO.
Old 11-18-2017, 07:26 AM
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Default Another article on security at Brazil GP

Wow, this article's opinion on the Sao Paulo mayor's comments about security improving if the track is privatized ominously makes sense:

http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints...ll-with-brazil

Don't think I'll be going there anytime soon!

Have a good one,
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:56 AM
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Not surprising.

No doubt the mayor is in line to get a kickback on the sale of the track.
There isn't anything people won't do for money.

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Old 11-18-2017, 11:02 AM
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Ferrari fights RB over scrapping next year's 3 engine rule:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...eengine_limit/
Old 11-18-2017, 04:57 PM
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Haas will come out swinging:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._in_Abu_Dhabi/
Old 11-19-2017, 09:40 AM
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Default Hamilton's comments on engine rules...

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/145789-...o-push-engines
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Alonso tests a WEC LMP1 Toyota:
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/...ar-at-bahrain/

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Old 11-20-2017, 01:06 PM
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"scrapheap challenge"

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...engine-980701/
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This powerunit formula is a GD joke.
Imagine breaking an engine in Practice or Qualifying this week and having to sit out the Race because there are no spares.

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I fear that, come the weekend you may not have to imagine...

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