laquer paint needed
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Drifting
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From: Montgomery NY
laquer paint needed
Need 2 gallons of 1969 daytona yellow laquer . prefer RM brand
but dupont lucite would work also . please dont even mention PPG ugggggggg . have this very correct 1969 435hp conv that really needs laquer paint done the old school way
but dupont lucite would work also . please dont even mention PPG ugggggggg . have this very correct 1969 435hp conv that really needs laquer paint done the old school way
Le Mans Master
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From: Newark DE
i may be wrong, but I thought PPG was the only one left offering lacquer. I think DuPont quit making it finally. Not sure about Sherwin Williams.
I have PPG on my car done last year and it looks great. sorry if you had a bad experience with it.
In either case, i do know where you can get the PPG lacquer.
opps, sorry, mentioned PPG 3 times in this.
I have PPG on my car done last year and it looks great. sorry if you had a bad experience with it.
In either case, i do know where you can get the PPG lacquer.
opps, sorry, mentioned PPG 3 times in this.
Racer
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From: Columbia Tennessee
Barry,
Was your car done in laquer?
(see, I didn't even mention P, PP, PPG even once.) PPG used to be Ditzler paint I think which was used on mid year corvettes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Was your car done in laquer?
(see, I didn't even mention P, PP, PPG even once.) PPG used to be Ditzler paint I think which was used on mid year corvettes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Le Mans Master
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From: Newark DE
Gilmore
no, it was done in BC/CC but originally I wasn't going to get the entire car repainted, just a few small areas touched up (big change of plans huh?) so I had picked up a quart of the PPG lacquer mixed from the local PPG paint supplier to take to my painter.
when I decided to just get the entire car repainted I was going to do it with lacquer but finally decided on the BC/CC because it's more durable and easier to repair for future scratches, dings, etc. My painter only recommends the current lacquer paints if it's a show car that's trailered everywhere. For a driver he said I was MUCH better off with the BC/CC and so did most everyone else.
no, it was done in BC/CC but originally I wasn't going to get the entire car repainted, just a few small areas touched up (big change of plans huh?) so I had picked up a quart of the PPG lacquer mixed from the local PPG paint supplier to take to my painter.
when I decided to just get the entire car repainted I was going to do it with lacquer but finally decided on the BC/CC because it's more durable and easier to repair for future scratches, dings, etc. My painter only recommends the current lacquer paints if it's a show car that's trailered everywhere. For a driver he said I was MUCH better off with the BC/CC and so did most everyone else.
Le Mans Master
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From: Newark DE
yes, i think there is a difference you can see between a single stage and a BC/CC. The very best paintjobs i've ever seen, such as on show cars, etc are typically a single stage paint.
BC/CC can look really good if done well but for the ultimate paint jobs I think single stage looks better. For a driver car though BC/CC makes more sense as it's much more practical.
I was at a friends house a couple times lately who recently had his '63 painted with single stage and the car looks GREAT!
BC/CC can look really good if done well but for the ultimate paint jobs I think single stage looks better. For a driver car though BC/CC makes more sense as it's much more practical.
I was at a friends house a couple times lately who recently had his '63 painted with single stage and the car looks GREAT!
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Drifting
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From: Montgomery NY
paint
Hi folks
maybe i should explain why I lothe ppg so . truth be told I have been painting corvettes since I was 17 and am 46 now . I grew up and lerned to paint with laquer long before the BC CC came out , really teaches you how to buff paint also . about 1980 they took alot of the lead out of the laquer and really hurt its durablity from acid rain and such . but to make a long story short PPG has always been a bottom of the line paint product with poor color matches and such . Gonna get clobberd by the ppg guys now can feel it coming . the last experience i had with that stuff was less than a year ago, A NCRS car that required ermine white ,this junk in the can was bone white to begin with and had to be tinted with alot of pure white to resemble what ermine was supposed to be . also when reduced it turned yellow really, weird stuff then when it dried it kinda turned white again . spot painting was impossible as it would leave a yellow ring on edges that never dried out of it. So please if anyone knows of ANYTHING other than PPG please let me know . Thanks Paul
maybe i should explain why I lothe ppg so . truth be told I have been painting corvettes since I was 17 and am 46 now . I grew up and lerned to paint with laquer long before the BC CC came out , really teaches you how to buff paint also . about 1980 they took alot of the lead out of the laquer and really hurt its durablity from acid rain and such . but to make a long story short PPG has always been a bottom of the line paint product with poor color matches and such . Gonna get clobberd by the ppg guys now can feel it coming . the last experience i had with that stuff was less than a year ago, A NCRS car that required ermine white ,this junk in the can was bone white to begin with and had to be tinted with alot of pure white to resemble what ermine was supposed to be . also when reduced it turned yellow really, weird stuff then when it dried it kinda turned white again . spot painting was impossible as it would leave a yellow ring on edges that never dried out of it. So please if anyone knows of ANYTHING other than PPG please let me know . Thanks Paul
Burning Brakes
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Laquer Paint on a '68 Z-28
Hi Paul, one of my customers, Thomas, at "Redz Auto" just did a '68 Z-28. When I spoke to him last month he had mentioned about repainting it with the original laquer paint. If you want to give him a call he may be able to "steer" you in the right direction. Thanks, Gary in N.Y.
P.S. Tell him I forwarded his number to you. He's in White Plains, N.Y. and his number is 914-948-9301. He has a six page spread in the March issue of Hemmings "Muscle Machines" about the car he used the paint on.
P.S. Tell him I forwarded his number to you. He's in White Plains, N.Y. and his number is 914-948-9301. He has a six page spread in the March issue of Hemmings "Muscle Machines" about the car he used the paint on.
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From: AUSTIN Tx
As far as I know, PPG is the only major player still supplying lacquer.
They have been the only player in my city for over 15 years, and I have been using their products ever since the local Dupont Dealer quit stocking lacquer. I have found their DDL line of lacquer to be easily on a par with the Dupont product, and I shoot nothing but PPG products now, both lacquer (DDL), and single-stage urethane (DCC). I have never had noticed any of the issues that you have mentioned. I have shot Ermine white several times in the last 5 years, and have never had that happen. I have a couple of quarts of Ermine white right now on the shelf and have used them for touch-ups several times. Their metallics do not match the original paint that well, but this was a problem with Dupont as well, since they all changed the size of the particles in the metallics. I am not trying to change your mind, just telling you my experience.
Regards, John McGraw
They have been the only player in my city for over 15 years, and I have been using their products ever since the local Dupont Dealer quit stocking lacquer. I have found their DDL line of lacquer to be easily on a par with the Dupont product, and I shoot nothing but PPG products now, both lacquer (DDL), and single-stage urethane (DCC). I have never had noticed any of the issues that you have mentioned. I have shot Ermine white several times in the last 5 years, and have never had that happen. I have a couple of quarts of Ermine white right now on the shelf and have used them for touch-ups several times. Their metallics do not match the original paint that well, but this was a problem with Dupont as well, since they all changed the size of the particles in the metallics. I am not trying to change your mind, just telling you my experience.
Regards, John McGraw
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From: Newburgh NY
Originally Posted by paulywannafly
The last experience i had with that stuff was less than a year ago, A NCRS car that required ermine white ,this junk in the can was bone white to begin with and had to be tinted with alot of pure white to resemble what ermine was supposed to be . also when reduced it turned yellow really, weird stuff then when it dried it kinda turned white again . spot painting was impossible as it would leave a yellow ring on edges that never dried out of it.
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From: CT
Originally Posted by paulywannafly
Hi folks
maybe i should explain why I lothe ppg so . truth be told I have been painting corvettes since I was 17 and am 46 now . I grew up and lerned to paint with laquer long before the BC CC came out , really teaches you how to buff paint also . about 1980 they took alot of the lead out of the laquer and really hurt its durablity from acid rain and such . but to make a long story short PPG has always been a bottom of the line paint product with poor color matches and such . Gonna get clobberd by the ppg guys now can feel it coming . the last experience i had with that stuff was less than a year ago, A NCRS car that required ermine white ,this junk in the can was bone white to begin with and had to be tinted with alot of pure white to resemble what ermine was supposed to be . also when reduced it turned yellow really, weird stuff then when it dried it kinda turned white again . spot painting was impossible as it would leave a yellow ring on edges that never dried out of it. So please if anyone knows of ANYTHING other than PPG please let me know . Thanks Paul
maybe i should explain why I lothe ppg so . truth be told I have been painting corvettes since I was 17 and am 46 now . I grew up and lerned to paint with laquer long before the BC CC came out , really teaches you how to buff paint also . about 1980 they took alot of the lead out of the laquer and really hurt its durablity from acid rain and such . but to make a long story short PPG has always been a bottom of the line paint product with poor color matches and such . Gonna get clobberd by the ppg guys now can feel it coming . the last experience i had with that stuff was less than a year ago, A NCRS car that required ermine white ,this junk in the can was bone white to begin with and had to be tinted with alot of pure white to resemble what ermine was supposed to be . also when reduced it turned yellow really, weird stuff then when it dried it kinda turned white again . spot painting was impossible as it would leave a yellow ring on edges that never dried out of it. So please if anyone knows of ANYTHING other than PPG please let me know . Thanks Paul
Drifting
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From: Yooperville MI
Don't shoot me, I got bored in the other forum. PPG is the only one left that does lacquer, and the store by me will still special order it. I am 53 and have painted with lacquer since I was 16, and I agree with everything you said. I finally switched to the newer paints about 4 years ago and I have to admit, I won't go back to lacquer. The epoxy primers are unbeatable for adhesion, and I still use lacquer based polyester primer for blocking. The new paints are amazing, however there are drawbacks; waste is not reusable, there are recoat time constraints, etc., so scheduling can be an issue. Spot painting is just like with lacquer. The most important thing is time savings. The new paints need 2 coats of color and 2 coats of clear and that's it. You can wet sand and buff the next day if needed.
Drifting
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From: Buffalo New York
Originally Posted by ahoover
Don't shoot me, I got bored in the other forum. PPG is the only one left that does lacquer, and the store by me will still special order it. I am 53 and have painted with lacquer since I was 16, and I agree with everything you said. I finally switched to the newer paints about 4 years ago and I have to admit, I won't go back to lacquer. The epoxy primers are unbeatable for adhesion, and I still use lacquer based polyester primer for blocking. The new paints are amazing, however there are drawbacks; waste is not reusable, there are recoat time constraints, etc., so scheduling can be an issue. Spot painting is just like with lacquer. The most important thing is time savings. The new paints need 2 coats of color and 2 coats of clear and that's it. You can wet sand and buff the next day if needed.
Drifting
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From: Yooperville MI
Originally Posted by Dennis Beck
If you had two C2's painted silver pearl, one in lacquer and one in urethane base/clear, what would the visual difference be?
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Drifting
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From: Montgomery NY
laquer
Looks like I have to deal with that PPG house paint againYuck.Well
its not the end of the world so have been lucky and only have had to do
1 laquer job per year . the rest are good modern BC CC just love that stuff
3 coats base 3 coats clear and your outta the booth . Next day wetsand and buff . have many winning show cars with over 6 year old BC cc paint jobs and best part is they dont need wax and are just as easy to spot in as laquer used to be and who said change is not good . Thank you all for trying to help . Now have to sulk off and order some cant even say it paint
thanks again Paul
its not the end of the world so have been lucky and only have had to do
1 laquer job per year . the rest are good modern BC CC just love that stuff
3 coats base 3 coats clear and your outta the booth . Next day wetsand and buff . have many winning show cars with over 6 year old BC cc paint jobs and best part is they dont need wax and are just as easy to spot in as laquer used to be and who said change is not good . Thank you all for trying to help . Now have to sulk off and order some cant even say it paint
thanks again Paul
Melting Slicks
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From: Sarasota Florida
laquer paint days are numbered
Hi
I work as a consultant in construction industry...EPA isnt too fond of laquer paints do to the lead content
...harmful vapors that enter our atomsphere (And you if not using proper equipment to paint with!! Attacks CNS on human being)...Thats why its dificult to find...In a time when everyone wants to be enviromentally friendly these days....My vette was repainted in 1992 with laquer paint...What I like about laquer is that it buff out very very nice...Paint still looks fresh with the "deep" color..
I would go with the BC/CC easier to find down the road if u have a "accident" or need to touch up... Laquer is becoming a thing of the past!!!
Just my .02
I work as a consultant in construction industry...EPA isnt too fond of laquer paints do to the lead content
...harmful vapors that enter our atomsphere (And you if not using proper equipment to paint with!! Attacks CNS on human being)...Thats why its dificult to find...In a time when everyone wants to be enviromentally friendly these days....My vette was repainted in 1992 with laquer paint...What I like about laquer is that it buff out very very nice...Paint still looks fresh with the "deep" color..I would go with the BC/CC easier to find down the road if u have a "accident" or need to touch up... Laquer is becoming a thing of the past!!!
Just my .02
Le Mans Master
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From: Newark DE
Originally Posted by paulywannafly
I just wish the NCRS judges would get off the laquer like the rest of the planet.
If you can paint the car with any other type of paint, either other types of single stage paint or BC/CC paint and make it APPEAR like the original lacquer than than great.