My 65 C2 has always had a problem with the driver's window occasionally slipping out of the window channel and jamming (electric). Since the old channels were obviously worn beyond repair, I purchased new window channels from Corvette Central and began the job today. My question is; How do the clips work that hold this channel in place? I would guess they fit into predrilled holes behind the channel but not sure. The lower has been removed and I can't find any predrilled holes for the clips. I know this subject has been hashed out before, but my search showed nothing concerning this topic. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

BarryK's excellent web site
http://69.253.166.197/page1/page65/page65.html

includes a link to a document by Dave Zuberer that describes the entire 65 Coupe door and how to take it apart and put it all back together.

That document is at
http://69.253.166.197/page1/page65/f...natomy-Mod.pdf

Page 11 I believe is the page you want.

 

I before and I'll say it again. Barry's site is awesome!!!!! I just wish I would remember to check it when I have a problem. Barry should be commended for the tresure chest of tech articles. AWESOME!!!

 

thanks, I'm glad you find my site helpful.

The thanks shouldn't go to me, but rather go to the authors of the articles for writing them and their generousity in allowing me to post them up on my site.

I have many other articles that eventually I'd like to get up also. what I have posted up is only about 40% of the articles i've collected. I need to get the others organized and converted to .PDF files first though and I've been a bit lazy.

 

What a great wealth of information this site has become. Thanks for all your help. I will let you know how I make out with this project. Barry, I have saved your site to my favorites since I will be using it for reference in the future. By the way, I notice you live in Delaware. I use to work in Dover (like for about 20 years) before moving to Texas.

Don:

 

Don

i'm about 45 minutes or an hour from Dover.

where you in the military down there? lot's of people come thru Dover because of that.

I was in Texas once about 15 years ago or so. Went down to visit a friend in Houston in Aug. NEVER AGAIN!
Man, I thought it got hot and humid here in the Aug but Houston that weekend was downright unbearable!

 

You'll find a thread I started last few days about my trials and tribulations trying to get my 66 coup driver's window to work right. Got some great ideas from guys in this forum. Ken Edwards, BABBAH, ACHAPMAN, 67L36DRIVER amoung others.
Here's my thread

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1405498

Here's BABBAH's thread that got me started

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1282644

There are channels and there are felts. If your question is how do the felts fit into the lower removable channel, there should be two slots in the channel that hold plastic button type clips that are part of the felt. If these slots aren't there, I'm at a loss. If this sounds like yours, great.

Here's what I've learned from removing everything 3 times trying to get it to work right. The window jammed up because I did not have the upper clip set in place in the lower removable channel. I couldn't see it or feel it. Darn tough to impossible to get this clip set after the window is in and lower channel are in. Ken Edwards, I believe, said just take the clip out of the felt. Or another way is work the clip in place before bolting the lower channel in place. Not easy but doable.

Just my two cents. And as 67L36Driver said,

If you can rebuild midyear doors, anything else is a piece of cake.

Dave

 

I bought new felts, took the inside skin off the door, took one look and
threw the felts in the garage. Still there.

 

Sorry Dave, I said that.....

Also, what I found out is that even though there are plastic clips coming out of the back of the channel, make sure there is a hole for each one of them to clip into. For some reason I had an extra plasitc clip and no hole for it to go into (maybe a production change). Anyway, I had to ground the extra plastic clip flush with the channel. Also, go to Lowes or Home Depot and get some wooden door shims, then I split a few into two inch wide shims, and used the thick end to "work" the channel clips in. I also used a plastic head hammer for "gentle persuasion".....

While your at it don't forget to use some white lithum grease on the door mechanism.

Good Luck.....

 

Dave,

Yeah, I guess I was talking about felts. I only referred to them as channels because that is how they were described in the CC catalog. This project should be an experience and now I know why the previous owner never fixed the problem but only lived with it, eventually selling it to me. Thanks for your input Dave.

Don

 

Oops Sorry about that AChapman ...

Something I just ran across over in the NCRS site that's a little different from info seen here was a post referencing a manaul (?) that indicated the rear/top felt came in two pieces when first taken out of a car. Tried to find my old ones to check..nada. Replacements are one piece. But I wonder if the replacement felt could be cut near the point where the channels meet? Make putting the clips and lower channel and felt easier I'd assume. Haven't tried it.
Dave

 

OK Guys,

Your help has been great and I was really inspired to tackle this job. Armed with a super clean garage, plenty of light, oldies on the radio and a cold beer, I took everything apart exactly as you guys had indicated. I even removed the vent regulator and vent window because of a broken hinge. Last night, I ordered the new hinge as well as new rollers and a bumper stop for the left side window. I felt pretty good.

Today I attempted to install the felt into the window channel. I carefully attempted to bend my new felt piece and quickly turned it into junk. The more I tried to straighten out the piece, the worse it looked. Now It looks like a 5th grader tried to fix this car without success. I guess I need to re-order a new window run for this car to the tune of $40.00 or so and try it again. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to properly bend this felt window run without destroying it? By the way, I tried to use a simple tube bender that is usually used for fuel/brake lines but it would not fit the width of the run. AHHHHHHHHH. The wife just suggested we look at new Mustangs. Help!!


Don

 

Umm, why not just buy the pre-bent ones? If you HAVE to bend one, just bend it over the glass-it follows the contour perfectly. Start at the top, hold it back from the edge by a half inch or so where the glass sits in the vertical channel and shape it around the glass.

 

Order the pre-bent ones from Corvette Central.

 

I don't know what I was thinking when I ordered these straight (need to bend) felts. I never realized that the pre-bent items were available. I plan on returning the survivor felt and re-ordering the pre-bent felt. If I could offer advice to anyone attempting this project, I would suggest the pre-bent, pre-clipped felts. They may cost a little more, but well worth the additional cost. I don't know why they even sell these straight pieces.

Ok, I need to stop this whinning and get back to work. Thanks for your help guys.

Don

 

Did some research over weekend. Found the reference in 1966 Chassis Service Manual. Page 1B-14, Glass run Channel-Upper. Implies the glass run or "fuzzy" stops at bottom of window opening... " The channel is retained in the body by means of snap fasteners which engage in holes in the door frame".

And on page 1B-15, Glass Run Channel-rear, Removal, "3. Remove 2 channel retaining screws and pass channel out through large opening in door panel".

In neither case does it mention that these two channels are hooked together by the same " fuzzy". I could be reading too much into this but it looks like at least by this manual, there are two fuzzy sections to the rear and upper window channels. I haven't tried it...could be an expensive experiment if it doesn't work.

Dave

 

I received my two new "pre-bent/pre-clipped" channels today. They came right from the Corvette Central catalog. Basically there is a metal U shaped channel surrounding the fuzzy felt as the channel wraps around the window beginning at the top front of the window. Obviously, I am talking coupes here. The metal channel stops as this fuzzy channel enters the interior of the door and continues it's run downwards laying in a metal U shaped channel stopping at the window's "down" or parked position. They are in fact linked together by a fuzzy material which I believe corresponds to your research Dave. I hope to install these items within the next two days and be done with this fit.

My vent window was removed from it's frame today by an automotive glass shop. The guy simply worked it loose and the glass slid right out. He charged me nothing for this 5 minutes of work, but had I attempted it, I would have bent the framework and turned it into a noodle for sure. Anyway, I am now searching for a welder who can weld this tiny hinge onto the frame without destroying it. Then I guess it's on to the chrome shop followed by re-fitting the glass and finally putting the vent window back in the car. Whew...what an ordeal.....I can't wait until I can return this car back to use and drive it for a change.

Thanks to all who helped me with input. I greatly appreciate it.

Don

 

Don,

Well, I did it. Pulled window out again. Pulled regulator apart because it felt like it ground at one point. There are several parts in a regulator that cannot be seen until you take the rivets out of the cap that holds the window crank in place. Mine is manual and probably doesn't correspond with yours Don. Replacing those parts is another story.

But, I cut the fuzzy at the top of the lower window channel just above that pesky upper clip. I did this because I just could not get the top fuzzy clip to seat in the window channel properly. Stubby fingers, fat hands. I could have ground the clip down I suppose, but cutting the soft metal in the fuzzy was easy with metal shears from Sears. Then did some trimming and filing of the metal cut, pulled the fuzzy material over the ends and used black plastic tape to hold it. It sure made putting the lower channel in a heckuva lot easier. I put it in after putting in the window and pushing it to the top. Whhee!

One possible problem maybe fuzzy bunching. Over time if the tape doesn't hold or whatever, it could roll up and jam window. But for now its really sweet! Third time is a charm!
Dave

 

And what I said was: "The insides of a door will separate the real mechanics from the wannabes" (or something along that line)

 

I have had trouble in the past with the green bubble clips. When that happened, I removed the clips and pop riveted the curved channel in. Works well and you can't see the rivets.