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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 11:25 PM
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Paragon offers a radiator cap with a sacrificial anode, said to increase the life of aluminum radiators greatly. Cap cost $20, any truth in their ad or is it just hype?
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I'd want detailed info on this cap before a purchase. Aluminum is a NOT a very Noble material and is subject to electrolysis under certain conditions. For this to occur you would need a +(POS.) and a -(NEG.) source. To me these are lacking in an automotive cooling system. Add the rubber hoses, (insulators), and barely any chance for current swap. Yes, water with the proper additives could carry current but most likely so minimal that it would not trigger electrolysis? JMHO Al W.

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If high mineral content water is used as the coolant, there is cause for concern. Therefore the need to use only distilled water in both the radiator and batteries.

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Originally Posted by 67vetteal
I'd want detailed info on this cap before a purchase. Aluminum is a very Noble material and is subject to electrolysis under certain conditions. For this to occur you would need a +(POS.) and a -(NEG.) source. To me these are lacking in an automotive cooling system. Add the rubber hoses, (insulators), and barely any chance for current swap. Yes, water with the proper additives could carry current but most likely so minimal that it would not trigger electrolysis? JMHO Al W.
I think what you meant to say was that aluminum is very anodic ("active") and among the least noble (passive) metals in electrolyte solution. Only Zn & Mg are less noble than Al.

As such, Al is sacrificial (electro-positive) to copper, for example, and will oxidize (corrode) at higher rate if the relative size of the Al piece is kept small. This might help 'protect' a Cu/brass radiator, but I doubt if it will prevent aluminum radiator, intake manifold or cast iron oxidation in any appreciable way.
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Seems like Marine engines have something like that.
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I think what you meant to say was that aluminum is very anodic ("active") and among the least noble (passive) metals in electrolyte solution. Only Zn & Mg are less noble than Al.

As such, Al is sacrificial (electro-positive) to copper, for example, and will oxidize (corrode) at higher rate if the relative size of the Al piece is kept small. This might help 'protect' a Cu/brass radiator, but I doubt if it will prevent aluminum radiator, intake manifold or cast iron oxidation in any appreciable way.
Yes, my bad. It hit me after I left the house this morning. The Nobility of Aluminum is poor at best. It is currently being recommended by Mercruiser for some applications as the sacrificial anode of choice. Thanks! Al W.
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Late getting back to the forum due to the arrival of one of them thar' 2006 humans last night, grandchild #6 born right here in our home! Mom and baby boy doing just great (she was born in this house too!) dad is tired! They have 2 boys now!
Now what was this thread about? Oh yeah, sounds like I should just put the $20 towards new anti-freeze and distilled water and continued good maintenance on the cooling system.
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If you use distilled water and CHANGE ITon time, then there is no need for one. The problem is, and we all do this, we base our decision on color. If the two year stuff is still green, then it must be good right?

I have some milk in my frig since may and it's still white...what a drink?
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Yes I did. "No need for one" means not necessary.
As far as it working....Well, I guess if you wait until your inhibitor package dies, it will eat the anodote first, then your radiator.
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Thanks guys, thats sort of what I figured but wanted the expert touch!
Also, thanks John (Plasticman).
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