Cam Question
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Cam Question
I have been looking to buy Federal-Mogul/Speed Pro # CS113R cam.
It is supposed to be like the old Duntov cam. I am building a 340 hp for my 62. Where can I buy one or is ther one better???
Thanks for the HELP.
Cody Poage
It is supposed to be like the old Duntov cam. I am building a 340 hp for my 62. Where can I buy one or is ther one better???
Thanks for the HELP.
Cody Poage
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If you are restoring a car for NCRS or Bloomington Gold judging you will probably not want a roller. Also, some people are old school and actually like the solid lifter sound and enjoy adjusting valve lash a couple of times a year. Same could be said of an electronic ignition vs a points system. My cars get driven so infrequently that a roller cam and electronic ignition would make the car virtually maintenance free (other than fluid changes).
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For a stock replacement 340 hp cam, that Speed Pro is probably as good as it gets. That's a good cam for your engine. Pulls good. Sounds good.
I don't think a roller cam would be wise for a stock replacement due to initial cost of the cam kit, cost to machine your block to install it, confusion over what cam is in the engine when it's getting serviced, probably won't sound or run like original, not needed for durability due to limited number of forseeable miles you'll put on the car. Need I go on?
There shouldn't be any problems with rounding off the cam if you use Speed Pro lifters and valve springs matched to that cam. Assembly lube on the cam and the diesel engine oil much discussed here and there.
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Probably true but if you take the proper precautions there is no reason the cam should go flat.
If you are restoring a car for NCRS or Bloomington Gold judging you will probably not want a roller. Also, some people are old school and actually like the solid lifter sound and enjoy adjusting valve lash a couple of times a year. Same could be said of an electronic ignition vs a points system. My cars get driven so infrequently that a roller cam and electronic ignition would make the car virtually maintenance free (other than fluid changes).
If you are restoring a car for NCRS or Bloomington Gold judging you will probably not want a roller. Also, some people are old school and actually like the solid lifter sound and enjoy adjusting valve lash a couple of times a year. Same could be said of an electronic ignition vs a points system. My cars get driven so infrequently that a roller cam and electronic ignition would make the car virtually maintenance free (other than fluid changes).
The oil will only get worse.
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The oil probably will only get worse but the OP is asking about doing the swap now, not in 5 years. If he does it right now, oil quality in 5 years will not matter as the cam will be broken in and the additional wear from a lack of ZDP will be insignificant.
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I don't know that the oil is "worse". As a matter of fact, I believe it is far better than when these cars were new.
It used to be that oil you'd put in your "new" car was good for the "old" car. Not that way anymore.
As a matter of fact, I do remember people saying 50 years ago, if you used detergent oil in an older car that had never had it, you'd cause it to start burning oil. That was back when "detergent" was something new in motor oil.
It used to be that oil you'd put in your "new" car was good for the "old" car. Not that way anymore.
As a matter of fact, I do remember people saying 50 years ago, if you used detergent oil in an older car that had never had it, you'd cause it to start burning oil. That was back when "detergent" was something new in motor oil.
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The CS-113R will work just fine; as long as you use STOCK valve springs (not some gonzo aftermarket spring), you won't have any problems. Anyplace that sells Federal-Mogul/Speed-Pro products can get it for you, as a kit, with lifters. 
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I don't know that the oil is "worse". As a matter of fact, I believe it is far better than when these cars were new.
It used to be that oil you'd put in your "new" car was good for the "old" car. Not that way anymore.
As a matter of fact, I do remember people saying 50 years ago, if you used detergent oil in an older car that had never had it, you'd cause it to start burning oil. That was back when "detergent" was something new in motor oil.
It used to be that oil you'd put in your "new" car was good for the "old" car. Not that way anymore.
As a matter of fact, I do remember people saying 50 years ago, if you used detergent oil in an older car that had never had it, you'd cause it to start burning oil. That was back when "detergent" was something new in motor oil.
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Thanks for all the help AGAIN.
Cody
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340 HP cam
I am using that cam. Installed this summer and have a couple thousand on it and love it. Good price and good delivery from Northern Auto Parts , Sioux City Iowa 1-800-831-0884. I have no interest in this company, just a satisfied customer. Bob
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Some of us are just like old-school even though it may not be the hottest thing on the market.
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Depends on what rockers you use. You can certainly get some chatter on a hyd roller cam with scorpion roller rockers. They make noise even when the valves are adjusted perfectly.
I've got crane gold roller rockers on my 65 right now and they make zero noise, but then again, i dont remember much noise coming from my fathers hyd cam 64 even when it had the stock rockers on.
Also, for break in buy some of the lucas engine break in lubricant. Its loaded with zinc and you should put it directly on the camshaft and bearings.
I've got crane gold roller rockers on my 65 right now and they make zero noise, but then again, i dont remember much noise coming from my fathers hyd cam 64 even when it had the stock rockers on.
Also, for break in buy some of the lucas engine break in lubricant. Its loaded with zinc and you should put it directly on the camshaft and bearings.
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What rockers did you use?
Cody
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Lifters
Not too fussy, I just asked the salesman for a set of solid lifters and he did the rest. Fairly sure they are Speed Pro/Federal Mogul. Just found the old box no name but AT992B is the number. I also used the Federal Mogul assembly lube. By the way, Northern has a lot of stuff NOT in their catalog. My mechanic told me installing it 4 degrees advance would add low end performance, unfortunately he told me this after the engine was finished! Best of luck, Bob
Stupid me thought you asked about lifters. I'm using factory stock 1.5 rockers. No problems even with the domed pistons
Stupid me thought you asked about lifters. I'm using factory stock 1.5 rockers. No problems even with the domed pistons
Last edited by claf; Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50 PM. Reason: ignorance