Another Pro......
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Racer
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From: Sitka Alaska
Another Pro......
Pro Vision that is, as advertised in the latest Summit tool catalog.
These "Scopes" are supposed to let you seen the inside of your cylinders through the spark plug hole. Asked a marine mechanic about these a couple of years back and he said not to waste my money on one as they are a pos. But then he didn't believe in torque wrenches either
Thought it might be a great tool but at $250 I'm not ready to jump without more information, does anyone here have experience with one of these units?
Thanks in Advance,
Jerry
These "Scopes" are supposed to let you seen the inside of your cylinders through the spark plug hole. Asked a marine mechanic about these a couple of years back and he said not to waste my money on one as they are a pos. But then he didn't believe in torque wrenches either
Thought it might be a great tool but at $250 I'm not ready to jump without more information, does anyone here have experience with one of these units?
Thanks in Advance,
Jerry
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Like any tool, it would take experiance to use with good results, unless you saw something obvious. But if it was obvious, then so should the symptoms that indicated a looksee was necessary.
A leakdown test has told me all I needed to know (to tear an engine down or keep on driving, and smiling).
Plasticman
A leakdown test has told me all I needed to know (to tear an engine down or keep on driving, and smiling).
Plasticman
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From: Del Boca Vista FL
Pro Vision that is, as advertised in the latest Summit tool catalog.
These "Scopes" are supposed to let you seen the inside of your cylinders through the spark plug hole. Asked a marine mechanic about these a couple of years back and he said not to waste my money on one as they are a pos. But then he didn't believe in torque wrenches either
Thought it might be a great tool but at $250 I'm not ready to jump without more information, does anyone here have experience with one of these units?
Thanks in Advance,
Jerry
These "Scopes" are supposed to let you seen the inside of your cylinders through the spark plug hole. Asked a marine mechanic about these a couple of years back and he said not to waste my money on one as they are a pos. But then he didn't believe in torque wrenches either
Thought it might be a great tool but at $250 I'm not ready to jump without more information, does anyone here have experience with one of these units?
Thanks in Advance,
Jerry
FIRST, you asked a marine mechanic. I don't know about the area where you live but where I am now located and where I have lived previously most marine mechanics spend too much time in the bottle and not enough time in the active employment field. That doesn't mean all of them are worthless, only the ones I have dealt with.
I was just inside a friend's marine engine this summer. Had we had the ability to look down in the cylinders with a light and camera prior to his firing the motor off we would have seen the collapsed area in the cylinder wall due to salt water erosion before wasting time starting this stupid thing up and watching water run out the exhaust where it was not supposed to be.
If you have ever dealt with a pinhole camera and good lighting you can see a LOT. Ever had a colonoscopy and viewed the film after?
Rich
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NASCAR used to use one of these to look inside our engines to see if we were cheating. Don't remember th brand name ,but they paid a lot more than that for it !!
Melting Slicks
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Prices are coming down for very good units. Look for them soon at home improvement stores under a well known brand name, at about the $250 price point (if they are not there already?).
Aircraft mechanics use them a lot. When your life depends on the engine running (single engine IMC), you want to know all you can about what parts or damage there might be inside the cylinders. You also need to account for every missing part. (How many of you have wondered if you left something inside that engine you just buttoned up?)
I guess its just a question of which gadget you'd like to buy next for your tool box.
Edit: I should have mentioned that my wife and her girl friends got a big kick out of using the gadget, just for fun.
Aircraft mechanics use them a lot. When your life depends on the engine running (single engine IMC), you want to know all you can about what parts or damage there might be inside the cylinders. You also need to account for every missing part. (How many of you have wondered if you left something inside that engine you just buttoned up?)
I guess its just a question of which gadget you'd like to buy next for your tool box.
Edit: I should have mentioned that my wife and her girl friends got a big kick out of using the gadget, just for fun.
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Prices are coming down for very good units. Look for them soon at home improvement stores under a well known brand name, at about the $250 price point (if they are not there already?).
Aircraft mechanics use them a lot. When your life depends on the engine running (single engine IMC), you want to know all you can about what parts or damage there might be inside the cylinders. You also need to account for every missing part. (How many of you have wondered if you left something inside that engine you just buttoned up?)
I guess its just a question of which gadget you'd like to buy next for your tool box.
Edit: I should have mentioned that my wife and her girl friends got a big kick out of using the gadget, just for fun.
Aircraft mechanics use them a lot. When your life depends on the engine running (single engine IMC), you want to know all you can about what parts or damage there might be inside the cylinders. You also need to account for every missing part. (How many of you have wondered if you left something inside that engine you just buttoned up?)
I guess its just a question of which gadget you'd like to buy next for your tool box.
Edit: I should have mentioned that my wife and her girl friends got a big kick out of using the gadget, just for fun.
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Racer
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Sitka Alaska
Jerry:
FIRST, you asked a marine mechanic. I don't know about the area where you live but where I am now located and where I have lived previously most marine mechanics spend too much time in the bottle and not enough time in the active employment field. That doesn't mean all of them are worthless, only the ones I have dealt with.
I was just inside a friend's marine engine this summer. Had we had the ability to look down in the cylinders with a light and camera prior to his firing the motor off we would have seen the collapsed area in the cylinder wall due to salt water erosion before wasting time starting this stupid thing up and watching water run out the exhaust where it was not supposed to be.
If you have ever dealt with a pinhole camera and good lighting you can see a LOT. Ever had a colonoscopy and viewed the film after?
Rich
FIRST, you asked a marine mechanic. I don't know about the area where you live but where I am now located and where I have lived previously most marine mechanics spend too much time in the bottle and not enough time in the active employment field. That doesn't mean all of them are worthless, only the ones I have dealt with.
I was just inside a friend's marine engine this summer. Had we had the ability to look down in the cylinders with a light and camera prior to his firing the motor off we would have seen the collapsed area in the cylinder wall due to salt water erosion before wasting time starting this stupid thing up and watching water run out the exhaust where it was not supposed to be.
If you have ever dealt with a pinhole camera and good lighting you can see a LOT. Ever had a colonoscopy and viewed the film after?
Rich
Sorry, I have not yet had a scope put where the sun does not shine
Jerry
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From: Arizona
Should be a useful tool if it's a "nice enough" one. We have used them for years in the crane field. We call them borescopes.
They are used to peer inside closed welded box girders on cranes to look for corrosion. We also use them to look inside gearcases to inspect gear and bearing condition vs spending thousands of $$$ and numerous hours disassembly and reassembly.
They are used to peer inside closed welded box girders on cranes to look for corrosion. We also use them to look inside gearcases to inspect gear and bearing condition vs spending thousands of $$$ and numerous hours disassembly and reassembly.
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From: Beverly Hills (Pine Ridge) Florida
You have 2 choices! Flip a coin (a lot cheaper than a bore scope).
Just kidding! I know how important it is to know what size valves we all have, when it comes to bragging rights - but Jerry who on Sitka are you bragging to that even knows the difference!
Plasticman
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In the helicopter world the Borescope has been used for about twenty years for several special inspections.From which stage of your turbine engine may have worn or damaged blades to which strap pack assembly may be damaged within the main rotor head assembly.
Oh and also to look for dropped nuts or bolts on the airframe.
I have had access to a borescope for many years and never had a need to use one on any automotive problems.But as someone allready said it might come in handy to inspect a birdcage for rust.
Oh and also to look for dropped nuts or bolts on the airframe.
I have had access to a borescope for many years and never had a need to use one on any automotive problems.But as someone allready said it might come in handy to inspect a birdcage for rust.
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Racer
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From: Sitka Alaska
Jerry,
You have 2 choices! Flip a coin (a lot cheaper than a bore scope).
Just kidding! I know how important it is to know what size valves we all have, when it comes to bragging rights - but Jerry who on Sitka are you bragging to that even knows the difference!
Plasticman
You have 2 choices! Flip a coin (a lot cheaper than a bore scope).
Just kidding! I know how important it is to know what size valves we all have, when it comes to bragging rights - but Jerry who on Sitka are you bragging to that even knows the difference!
Plasticman
You are quite correct, but I would still like to know without removing the heads on a perfect running engine, no one here to brag to, so guess I could just lie
,but thats not my style. Then again I guess its not worth $250 just to find out, but it still nags at me you know.
Jerry
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Racer
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