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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 11:37 PM
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The last time I was over at the Pro Team the only thing that intreasted me was, each time they wanted to start one of there car they had to turn this battery isolaton switch. It seem to just attach to the battery and them to the cable. This looks like a good idea since these cars are 50 old. Any one ever seen these around?
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Are you referring to the type that attaches directly to the battery post? If so, they are quite readily available. They may not be as good as a permanently installed shut off switch, but they are cheap and effective as a battery disconnect.

I see that you are in Canada. Do you have a Princess Auto near you? They sometimes put them on sale for about two dollars. They are brass colored with green removable *****. If you don't have a store near you, Princess Auto also has a mail order service.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 12:47 AM
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I recently installed a Battery Brain Type 3 that I purchased from an Ebay vendor-(http://stores.ebay.com/Mantelli-Trailer-Sales-RV-Store). It automatically disconnects your battery if it senses a voltage drain when the car is idle, or you can use the remote fob to disconnect and reconnect the battery as a security device. The install wasn't difficult, just deciding where it will fit the best for you. When I read the enclosed literature, before installing, I think it is best not to mount close to the header/heat source. The unit doesn't make a significant sound when you disconnect by remote and you don't have to open the hood, so it is an unobtrusive theft deterrent, unlike having to raise the hood to manually disconnect some devices. And it's not expensive, IMHO, either.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 06:28 AM
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I use battery brain.

It's alot easier than most battery disconnect switches becuase you don't have to open and close the hood every time.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 08:03 AM
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I use the battery brain as well, easy to install and I use it for security as well. The remote fob is great, much better than popping the hood and using the green **** in a hot engine bay. Good Luck !
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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I have a battery isolation switch under the dash of my 1966 Corvette , entirely shuts off all power......................a simple device & is tied into a solinoid that i have on my fire wall if you want photos send me your email..................
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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My preference is to cut power completely.

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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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thanks for the ideas. I'll look into the brain drain. I was looking more so for a total battery disconnect. No sure if anyone has had problems but since the car is stored in the garage attache to my house. You never know about any weird electrical short.
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Ditto on the Battery Brain. My wife gave me the Platinum model for Christmas. Easy to install and works great. Using the remote beats opening the hood to disconnect the battery.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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On my 64, I installed a key switch. The ones that use a big red removeable plastic key. I installed it on the drivers' side radio panel, just beside the e-brake. Can't be seen especially if the key is removed and it's effective. No more lifting the hood to disconnect.

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So.... can't find a manual for the battery brain and I have questions.

If you just shut off the car and get out, do you have to arm the module to make it work? Hitting the remote disconnect kills all drain immediately but does the thing run without any intervention monitoring voltage?

Can you arm the module and just drive? Get out of the car in the parking lot and let it do it's thing all on it's own?


I'm not all that confident that it'll fit on the battery in this C3 anyway.....
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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So.... can't find a manual for the battery brain and I have questions.

If you just shut off the car and get out, do you have to arm the module to make it work? Hitting the remote disconnect kills all drain immediately but does the thing run without any intervention monitoring voltage?

Can you arm the module and just drive? Get out of the car in the parking lot and let it do it's thing all on it's own?


I'm not all that confident that it'll fit on the battery in this C3 anyway.....
With the remote control unit, just hit the remote button to disconnect the battery from the circuit. Works the same way in reverse to reconnect the battery to the circuit, just hit the remote button. (From a distance, could even be used to kill headlamps if you left them on, just hit the remote button).

The only thing it's supposed to do "on it's own" is that if battery voltage falls to a predetermined level, the unit is supposed to disconnect the battery from the circuit, leaving sufficient charge in the battery to re-start the vehicle. Don't know if that works as advertised or not, haven't had the need to check it out yet.

The unit comes with connectors and instructions for both top post and side post terminals, should be no reason it won't work on a C-3.

Hope this helps, mine works fine, I recommend it. Convenient, as has already been said.

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With the remote control unit, just hit the remote button to disconnect the battery from the circuit. Works the same way in reverse to reconnect the battery to the circuit, just hit the remote button. (From a distance, could even be used to kill headlamps if you left them on, just hit the remote button).

The only thing it's supposed to do "on it's own" is that if battery voltage falls to a predetermined level, the unit is supposed to disconnect the battery from the circuit, leaving sufficient charge in the battery to re-start the vehicle. Don't know if that works as advertised or not, haven't had the need to check it out yet.

The unit comes with connectors and instructions for both top post and side post terminals, should be no reason it won't work on a C-3.

Hope this helps, mine works fine, I recommend it. Convenient, as has already been said.

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Good deal. That monitoring of the battery voltage is actually what I was looking for, armed or not. The operative word for a C-3 is "fit". Battery is in a compartment behind the driver's seat. I seem to recall seeing somewhere an option for mounting it away from the battery like on a firewall or fender. I have a trans am that I can't even put top terminal batteries in as the terminals would hit the hood; NOT recommended at all.
I had one of those crappy **** battery cut offs. Hated it. The device oxidized, wouldn't clamp down very well, etc. Pulled it off yesterday and now I'm waiting to see if there an the same starting problems as before. If not, it stays off. If so, it still stays off and I get a new battery
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Originally Posted by Ron Miller
With the remote control unit, just hit the remote button to disconnect the battery from the circuit. Works the same way in reverse to reconnect the battery to the circuit, just hit the remote button. (From a distance, could even be used to kill headlamps if you left them on, just hit the remote button).

The only thing it's supposed to do "on it's own" is that if battery voltage falls to a predetermined level, the unit is supposed to disconnect the battery from the circuit, leaving sufficient charge in the battery to re-start the vehicle. Don't know if that works as advertised or not, haven't had the need to check it out yet.

The unit comes with connectors and instructions for both top post and side post terminals, should be no reason it won't work on a C-3.

Hope this helps, mine works fine, I recommend it. Convenient, as has already been said.

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Ron,
It's hard to tell from the photos in front of its box how big it really is. Where does it sit in your vette?
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Ron,
It's hard to tell from the photos in front of its box how big it really is. Where does it sit in your vette?
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Via Crutchfield, for the platinum;
2-1/4"W x 2-1/2"H x 1-5/8"D

I'll be checking the space by my battery but...... there isn't much.....
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Ron,
It's hard to tell from the photos in front of its box how big it really is. Where does it sit in your vette?
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Via Crutchfield, for the platinum;
2-1/4"W x 2-1/2"H x 1-5/8"D

I'll be checking the space by my battery but...... there isn't much.....
These dimensions should be about right, it comes with a 90 degree bracket that allows it to mount beside the battery, makes a 90 degree turn from the top post to the side. That's how I mounted mine on the '66. It'll mount in several positions, and I suppose you could use two cables to mount it in a location remote from the battery if necessary. But, I didn't need to do so, and haven't looked into that.

Hope this helps!!

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Found the manual. Here's what I glean;

If it's turned on at all (physical switch on unit) it monitors the voltage and if <11.9V will completely kill all power. If the model has a vibration sensor, it will sleep whilst driving and not do that. (certainly my car has the vibration aspect covered)

Remote;
ARM Car can't be started but all 'puter/clock/etc settings remain. Presumably it trickles a tiny amount of current but prevents more current from passing. I assume that as the manual states it but mentions no provision for bypassing it to keep them alive.
DISCONNECT Kills all power immediately.
DISARM/RECONNECT

That is the PLATINUM manual only. The other versions have differing functions like no remotes and/or no anti-theft (trickling current without allowing starting).
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Found the manual. Here's what I glean;

If it's turned on at all (physical switch on unit) it monitors the voltage and if <11.9V will completely kill all power. If the model has a vibration sensor, it will sleep whilst driving and not do that. (certainly my car has the vibration aspect covered)

Remote;
ARM Car can't be started but all 'puter/clock/etc settings remain. Presumably it trickles a tiny amount of current but prevents more current from passing. I assume that as the manual states it but mentions no provision for bypassing it to keep them alive.
DISCONNECT Kills all power immediately.
DISARM/RECONNECT

That is the PLATINUM manual only. The other versions have differing functions like no remotes and/or no anti-theft (trickling current without allowing starting).
I put my own bypass circuit in to the aftermarket radio presets, used a wire with an inline fuse of 1/2 amp or so, just enough to keep power to the radio presets, but fused so that even a small overcurrent will take it out!

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These dimensions should be about right, it comes with a 90 degree bracket that allows it to mount beside the battery, makes a 90 degree turn from the top post to the side. That's how I mounted mine on the '66. It'll mount in several positions, and I suppose you could use two cables to mount it in a location remote from the battery if necessary. But, I didn't need to do so, and haven't looked into that.

Hope this helps!!

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Ok, thanks for the dimensions and the info. I guess it will fit like on the side like my quick disconnect now.
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Hella makes a good switch with a removable red plastic key. It is available at any decent marine supply store for about $20. My location was through the transmission tunnel cover into the passenger's footwell. Easy to run cables to the battery and engine ground and easy to reach the key from the driver's seat. It is great peace of mind to know that the 47 year old electrical system is completely disconnected when the car is unattended.
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