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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 08:54 AM
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My Dad gave me his 57 Vette a couple years ago. I'm thinking of selling it. He pulled the engine that was in the car when he bought it and put a 350 in it. I have the engine , but I need to find out if it's the original engine. How do I do this?

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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Flame-less Joe
My Dad gave me his 57 Vette a couple years ago. I'm thinking of selling it. He pulled the engine that was in the car when he bought it and put a 350 in it. I have the engine , but I need to find out if it's the original engine. How do I do this?

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Write down all the numbers off the engine - stamp pad; casting date near the bellhousing and compare them to this:
http://www.corvette-world.com/corvet...tion_codes.php

and this:
http://www.corvette-world.com/corvet...ng-Numbers.php

for a start.

The engine "code" [using the first link above] is embedded in the stamp pad numbers. This doesn't guarantee originality (the Corvette world is awash in restamped motors) but gives a pretty good indication. IIRC when you decipher the engine casting date it should be no more than 6 months before the cars "build date" to meet NCRS guidelines.

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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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The casting number is correct. Now what is this number on the stamp pad? where will I find it?

What about numbers on the intake and exhaust manifolds?
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Just understand that on a 1957 the numbers never "match." The numbers can be correct, both in casting numbers and also in assembly dates. However, '57s had no VIN derivative on the block pad, so there is no "match" to the car's body VIN.

This term is misused regularly.
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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer5869
Just understand that on a 1957 the numbers never "match." The numbers can be correct, both in casting numbers and also in assembly dates. However, '57s had no VIN derivative on the block pad, so there is no "match" to the car's body VIN.

This term is misused regularly.
So if I sell this car and someone asks is it a matching numbers car I can say that the casting number is correct. It is the correct engine for this car.
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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Flame-less Joe
The casting number is correct. Now what is this number on the stamp pad? where will I find it?

What about numbers on the intake and exhaust manifolds?
The front pad is the machined surface on the block in front of the passenger side cylinder head (see photo below); tell us what's stamped there or post a good close-up photo of it (use the "macro" feature on a digital camera).

The block casting date is on the rear flange of the block, about 4" toward the passenger side from the distributor - post what you see there.

The car's serial number is on an aluminum plate screwed to the driver's side hinge pillar - post what you see there.

With the block casting date, the front pad stamping, and the serial number, we can tell you if the numbers make sense with each other.
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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer5869
Just understand that on a 1957 the numbers never "match." The numbers can be correct, both in casting numbers and also in assembly dates. However, '57s had no VIN derivative on the block pad, so there is no "match" to the car's body VIN.

This term is misused regularly.
Which is why I never used the word "match" in my reply above
Sorry Blue Flame-less Joe - I should have told you where to find the stamp pad number...posting a good picture is better than just supplying the number as folks like JohnZ can examine the 'broach marks' and give some opinion on if its an original stamp or not (if they care to that is)...

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OK here is what I found on the engine block.
Casting # 3731548
Stamped # F305EG
Vin # 57S101471
Intake # 3739653

OK Guys tell me what I have here.
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Engine casting number is correct for 57 model year. Intake manifold is correct for EG suffix 270 HP w Hi lift cam. However the engine pad indicates 3/5/57 engine assembly date but VIN 01471 is a 12/27/56 DOB for the car. Are you sure of the engine pad and VIN accuracy? Also can you provide the engine casting date?

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Originally Posted by Blue Flame-less Joe
OK here is what I found on the engine block.
Casting # 3731548
Stamped # F305EG
Vin # 57S101471
Intake # 3739653

OK Guys tell me what I have here.

F 305 EG is Flint (the assembly plant) 305 is March (third month) 5th day.

EG is the suffix for 270 HP manual trans. That's a 2x4 motor.

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NOT a 57 expert, but that "early" VIN seemed too early to me for a March 57 assembled motor.

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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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If 3/5 is correct belongs more in a car aprox s/n 2800 range.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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All the numbers I found were very readable. I guess that is not the original engine for the car. So now what?

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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Flame-less Joe
All the numbers I found were very readable. I guess that is not the original engine for the car. So now what?

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Post a good picture of the pad and John Z will tell you if it looks like a real motor. If its a correct motor it would be valuable to some one with a correct VIN car.
Check the frame and see what the Vin# is on it.
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Appears to be an "EG" (270hp) engine out of a later car; the block casting date will confirm that. Although it may be a mechanically-correct 270hp engine, from a judging perspective, a block cast and assembled after the car was built is a 175-point deduction.

If you pull the valve covers and look at the head casting number and date and they're the correct 3740997 heads with the raised casting symbols on the ends machined flat (vs. rough-cast surface), the heads alone are worth big bucks.
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I'd still rather have a '57 Corvette with a '57 Corvette engine than a 350. Maybe your potential buyers would agree?
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Not any of my business but IF my dad left me a car or gave me a car I would be really hard pressed to cut it loose. Lost my dad a long time ago and the last car we worked on together is long gone wished I would have kept it. Hind sight is always 20/20 Moral of the story you may want to rethiink the selling. Again none of my business just my 2 cents Mike
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my vin 2892 has F304EF on it's birth motor pad (originally a 1x4). car's mfg. date 3/19/57.
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Originally Posted by mikes6t6vert
Not any of my business but IF my dad left me a car or gave me a car I would be really hard pressed to cut it loose. Lost my dad a long time ago and the last car we worked on together is long gone wished I would have kept it. Hind sight is always 20/20 Moral of the story you may want to rethiink the selling. Again none of my business just my 2 cents Mike
Thanks for your cents. But it's not like that. My dad bought this car maybe 5 years ago because he always wanted an old corvette but got tired of it really quick, so he gave it to me. I like the car ok but I really need to make some room around here and it has caused some problems between me and my dad. It's not like it's a car that I grew up around or was the first vette I ever saw or anything. It's just not me.
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