Auction fraud
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Le Mans Master
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Auction fraud
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-...QQcmdZViewItem
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
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St. Jude Donor '07
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-...QQcmdZViewItem
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
high shipping costs are the latest way to beat fleabay out of some $$$ as one only pays fleabay's commission based on the selling price.
Bill
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Huh
I read his ad, I did not see where it said you had to buy his product.
If you don't like his price and his shipping charges----find another one.
Why bash this guy ?
If you don't like his price and his shipping charges----find another one.
Why bash this guy ?
Last edited by GC2X4; Jan 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Mobile AL
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Le Mans Master
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Race Director
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From: Down on the bayou in south Louisiana
St. Jude Donor '10
I think the main problem is the NOS knowingly used for a reproduction part. If you don't have a problem with a seller deliberately misrepresenting the authenticity of a part I guess that's your business. M2C
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Cartoon Character
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From: Can't be more than 114... Arizona
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-...QQcmdZViewItem
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
This is not a GM part. It is a reproduction. Yes, the seller knows, he just refuses to correct his description. Note his high shipping charges too. Priority Mail would cost $4.80.
Either way you may not get what you pay for. That is an internet archive picture methinks...
Le Mans Master
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Army
Anyone can view my profile to see why I get a twinge about such things...
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I have delt with this guy twice. He said he had just bought a bunch of old starters from some guy that had been in the buisness for years and had a couple of starters for a 1965 396. He swore these were the real deal. Bought one, it was just a bad restamp. Had a couple of people look at it , John Pirkle was one. The case was from a Buick or Pontaic. Even after all that he swore it was an original. But he did refund my money. Also he sells what he claims are NOS crankshafts. I am sure they are from an aftermarket place somewhere. Just saying buyer beware with this guy.
Le Mans Master
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I don't understand the big deal. NOS, Reproduction. Who cares. Reproduction parts are almost always better than NOS. I've restored many cars and bought parts from GM back when you could go to the dealership and still get a grill or a set of bumpers for a 57. I came to the conclusion in the late 60's that NOS means that the part is a reject and didn't meet the quality for a new vehicle.
Jim
Jim
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I don't understand the big deal. NOS, Reproduction. Who cares. Reproduction parts are almost always better than NOS. I've restored many cars and bought parts from GM back when you could go to the dealership and still get a grill or a set of bumpers for a 57. I came to the conclusion in the late 60's that NOS means that the part is a reject and didn't meet the quality for a new vehicle.
Jim
Jim
If you want an NOS part, and buy something represented as an NOS part to the best of the seller's knowledge - that is what you should get. However, why folks get so cycled up over the NOS vs repro thing is another matter. I happily use lots of repro parts and am grateful they are available.
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This from a Forum sponsor who apparently never test fits the parts he sells. Yes, NOS is important, unless you want to be a Tool and Die Maker every time you try to do simple fixes...
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Le Mans Master
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I have not purchased one repro part that is the same physical size as the original part that it is to replace, whether Corvette or Mustang and I have both cars. Every one has to be trimmed, ground or hammered to fit. I just bought a replacement column shaft jacket for my car and the column shaft retainer last week and had them delivered to my Palazzo. Guess what? They do not fit together because the tabs are too long to fit in the retainer. More F@ck**g machinining. This from a Forum sponsor who apparently never test fits the parts he sells. Yes, NOS is important, unless you want to be a Tool and Die Maker every time you try to do simple fixes...
This from a Forum sponsor who apparently never test fits the parts he sells. Yes, NOS is important, unless you want to be a Tool and Die Maker every time you try to do simple fixes...Jim
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Go to the top of this page or the end of the alphabet...
Drifting
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He only uses UPS for shipping and that charge for shipping and handling (UPS Ground) to me is $12.09. UPS rates are more expensive than USPS plus it has to be boxed with packing... I personally think the shipping is very reasonable.
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Auction Fraud
Jerry Bramlett--could you educate novices like myself and explain the differences between the subject cover and a real deal GM/Rochester choke cover so we know what to look for? Thanks very much in advance.