Ncrs ??
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Racer
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Ncrs ??
does NCRS keep a history or judged cars? specifically do they keep vin#,owner,scoring results info? I am looking to buy another car and want either a restored and judged NCRS car or really prefered an orginal unrestored big block car.If NCRS has a record of the judged cars I would be willing to pay a fee for a little bit of history on a car that I was purchasing.
Burning Brakes
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does NCRS keep a history or judged cars? specifically do they keep vin#,owner,scoring results info? I am looking to buy another car and want either a restored and judged NCRS car or really prefered an orginal unrestored big block car.If NCRS has a record of the judged cars I would be willing to pay a fee for a little bit of history on a car that I was purchasing.
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Racer
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NCRS Award Confirmation Document includes: Owners Names, net scores, final scores, event location and year the awards were were presented. The Charge is $300 Order online at the NCRS Store www.NCRS.org
Do you know if that includes every time that the particular vin# was judged? or just the latest? thanks for the info.
Jim
Burning Brakes
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The way the NCRS add reads its any and all name's of owners, scores, years, awards and type of event Chapter, Regional or National.
Bill
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Be aware that the NCRS records do not include the individuel judging sheets. If a car were to score 94% (for example) details are not available on the 6% point deductions.
Judging awards refer to a given car on a certain day at a certain place. There's no guarantee that a car is still in the same configuration and condition today.
Judging awards refer to a given car on a certain day at a certain place. There's no guarantee that a car is still in the same configuration and condition today.
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Do you have to pay the 300 to find out if a record of your car exists, or is it only after that is confirmed. My 62 was supposedly judged years ago, and I would probably pay the money if something is found. I woudn't pay it just to find out if any record exists.
Bill
Bill
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You can search for free I think:
http://www.ncrs.org/award/shop.cgi?page=award.html
Enter your VIN and see what happens.
http://www.ncrs.org/award/shop.cgi?page=award.html
Enter your VIN and see what happens.
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Racer
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You can search for free I think:
http://www.ncrs.org/award/shop.cgi?page=award.html
Enter your VIN and see what happens.
http://www.ncrs.org/award/shop.cgi?page=award.html
Enter your VIN and see what happens.
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If you are interested in validating the block as being original, then I would contact Al Grenning. He will be able to tell you whether the block stamping is original or not.
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Melting Slicks
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I just posed that same question to NCRS last week and they said if there was or was not information on the car you had to pay the $300 to find out. So if there is no info on the car you lose your $300. My car has a NCRS sticker on the windshield but no other info. It came with lots of paperwork from new until about 10 years ago.
Instructor
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NCRS judging records
Yes you have to pay regardless if they have records or not. I bought my 67 in April I had no info of the cars history. I ordered the report and it turns out the car was judged in 93. Second Flight with a score of 91.1. The most important part was that I got the then owners name. After a lot of emailing of a very common name I got a call from the previous owner. It was great all kinds of cool info on the car. I also spoke with the person that restored the car 20 years ago! It was well worth the money.
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Ncrs
Be carefull of opinions on block stampings. There are some NCRS / Bloomington Gold Judges that know what they are doing. Others may not be as skilled. Always remember St. Louis did not assemble these cars with judging in mind. IMO if I were contemplating purchase of a high $$ C1 /C2 try to get several opinions and as much documentation as possible.
In the 1988-1992 time frame there were a bunch of big block clones built by some very good forgers that could broach and restamp a block that was almost undetectable to the untrained eye. Many of these cars have changed hands a number of times 20 years later.
NCRS stickers are like JEGS everyone and his brother has one - they do not have any value. The NCRS itself is a wealth of information for C1, C2, C3 owners.
Research, research, research
In the 1988-1992 time frame there were a bunch of big block clones built by some very good forgers that could broach and restamp a block that was almost undetectable to the untrained eye. Many of these cars have changed hands a number of times 20 years later.
NCRS stickers are like JEGS everyone and his brother has one - they do not have any value. The NCRS itself is a wealth of information for C1, C2, C3 owners.
Research, research, research
Racer
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Yes you have to pay regardless if they have records or not. I bought my 67 in April I had no info of the cars history. I ordered the report and it turns out the car was judged in 93. Second Flight with a score of 91.1. The most important part was that I got the then owners name. After a lot of emailing of a very common name I got a call from the previous owner. It was great all kinds of cool info on the car. I also spoke with the person that restored the car 20 years ago! It was well worth the money.
I think this is BS. I have been an NCRS member (5908) sense the early 80s. Thru the years, I and a lot of other volunteers put in a lot of work judging the cars and assisting with information for the manuals. The results of the work the volunteers did is what the NCRS Data Base is durived from. As a member, I think I could at least have NCRS do a search and let me know if there is anything in their data base. A serial number search should be very quick and easy. I do not mind paying a nominal fee just to find out if there is information (Yes or No) and then pay $300.00 if I want to know what information NCRS has. Asking any one, especially a member to ponie up $300.00 and then be told you get nothing for your money is a poor policy. May be a non-member should be asked to pay more???? After all, it is the members that have supported the organization all these years.
I would be interested in the opinion of others on this subject!
Chris, CWPASADENA
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I think this is BS. I have been an NCRS member (5908) sense the early 80s. Thru the years, I and a lot of other volunteers put in a lot of work judging the cars and assisting with information for the manuals. The results of the work the volunteers did is what the NCRS Data Base is durived from. As a member, I think I could at least have NCRS do a search and let me know if there is anything in their data base. A serial number search should be very quick and easy. I do not mind paying a nominal fee just to find out if there is information (Yes or No) and then pay $300.00 if I want to know what information NCRS has. Asking any one, especially a member to ponie up $300.00 and then be told you get nothing for your money is a poor policy. May be a non-member should be asked to pay more???? After all, it is the members that have supported the organization all these years.
I would be interested in the opinion of others on this subject!
Chris, CWPASADENA
I too as you said volunteered my time as well have been a member since 1978.The yes or no nominal "lookup" fee is a good idea.And then some sort of fee for the info.$300 seems like a bunch without knowing what it says.Wouldn't it be great to see judging sheets from whenever on a car that I am looking at and find my name in the judges column.That way I would have volunteered my time,paid my own expenses that weekend and then paid $300 for my own opinion which according to my ex wife is worthless 
Pancho